pope francis punctuates it with a direct and unmistakable message. >> pope francis ( translated ): and with this." >> wertheim: francis was elevated to his position when his predecessor, pope benedict, became the first pope in 600 years to resign, citing declining health. now 81, pope francis has appealed personally to hundreds of millions in dozens of countries. he often balances gravity with levity, as he did during this trip to philadelphia, where he visited a prison, and spoke at a conference celebrating the family. >> pope francis ( translated ): families have difficulties. families, we quarrel. sometimes plates can fly. ( laughs ) and children bring headaches. ( laughs ) i won't speak about mother-in- laws. ( laughs ) >> pope francis ( translated ): we live with the accelerator down from morning to night. this ruins mental health, spiritual health, and physical health. more so: it affects and destroys the family, and therefore society. "on the seventh day, he rested." what the jews followed and still observe, was to consider the sabbath as holy. on saturday you rest. one day of t

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south he had reached a special agreement with the pope. in rome formally the center of the ancient world was an insignificant room in charlemagne's day but even the ruins bore witness to its former grand. western europe haven't had an emperor for more than three hundred yards in the year eight hundred the frankish king charlemagne revived the old title of the emperor's he wanted the arena of impairing the you bring new of the roman empire as the empire of the franks. have. when charlemagne was crowned emperor on christmas day in eight hundred it was a historic moment for contemporaries a sensation that resonated across europe. it was the first time a pope had crowned an emperor and the first time this emperor had come from an empire that was not wrong. only a successor of some peter could award the title of emperor in the name of god that's why charlemagne had recognized the supremes pontiff as his virtual head. in return charlemagne liberated the papacy from by design time domination and placed it under its military protection. that's why

——a bit ofa is a bit of a for the pope to cross. —— a bit of a rubicon for the pope to cross.direction, towards a greater embrace of diversity. the harder question, and this is what the independent is pointing to, is whether he is actually ready to stand up and change the church's teachings. that isa change the church's teachings. that is a different sphere altogether. or what is the interpretation of what the bible says in a modern context. just to say the vatican has said nothing about this. we don't comment on conversations that our had. that is their official line. i want to swiftly move on, though, because we are discussing such big issues. can we be honest at a no stuff kiosk? i a lwa ys we be honest at a no stuff kiosk? i always asked this question when i go and scan things myself. who has come across the honesty bar in the hotel? have you all been very bar at the honesty bar in the hotel? i think i have been moderately honest. but this idea, amazon is looking at no stuff kiosk is. let's see if that makes any money. yes, time will tell. it is a cliche, but it's true. th

carl pope, thank you. nice to have you here. pope: great. nice to be with you.u: and that will do it for us. as always, you can find more of our coverage on kqed.org/newsroom. i'm thuy vu. thank you for joining us. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ captioning sponsored by wnet >> sreenivasan: on this edition for sunday, may 27: the summit isn't confirmed, but u.s. and north korean officials are planning ahead. in our signature segment, can technology and training help reduce law enforcement's use of deadly force? and, why maps throughout history were drawn incorrectly, sometimes on purpose. next on pbs newshour weekend. >> "pbs newshour weekend" is made possible by: bernard and irene schwartz. the cheryl and philip milstein family. sue and edgar wachenheim, iii. dr. p. roy vagelos and diana t. vagelos. the j.p.b. foundation. the anderson family fund. rosalind p. walter barbara hope zuc

a later pope even beatified him. in the nationalist nineteenth century the saxon vidocq and was portrayed as a german hero fighting against the french enemy. the french meanwhile turned charlemagne into one of their own hence his name in french and english. charlemagne as the frenchmen and vidocq and the german kneeling in the dust in front of him historical misrepresentation by both sides rooted in ancestral enmity. after the baptism of the saxon rebel solomon could finally focus on his other projects again. although the monica owned a number of magnificent palaces the huge empire still didn't have a fixed seat of government. charlemagne chose a hymn in order to turn it into the most beautiful city in his empire a hundred was to combine the splendor of rome with the scholarly ness of athens in . the new royal palace was a large and perfectly planned complex it contained the. as the seat of government along with a residence for the royal family a garrison for elite troops a courtroom and a study center with an archiv

and now "pope francis: a man of his word." i spoke to him just after the film debuted at the cannes film festival. wim wenders, welcome to the program. >> thank you for having me, christiane. >> it's a great pleasure, and this documentary, this film that you've done has got great reviews in cannes, where you debuted it. but the real question is -- how do you get such access to a pope? i mean, we can't for love nor money. >> yep. i wonder myself now how that can possibly have happened. you see, it was not in my life's plan. one day i got a letter from the vatican. would you be inclined to talk th us about the filmnvolving the pope? and that was amazi almost too good to be true. i am truly admiring of his work and i think he's one of the great leaders of our world today. >> what specifically about him do you love the most? >> you see, i remind you of latin, and for once in my life it paid off, because they introduced him, before we saw him, in latin and he said he had chosen the name of franciscus, and i was flabbergast. because

the pope loves you.you have to love yourself. >> the vatican declined to comment on the private conversation, but if concerned -- confirmed, it would be a stance of tolerance. >> people i don't even know have been writing to me. it is changing lives. >> the catholic church teaches gays should be loved and respected, and not discriminated against, but they consider homosexual activity intrinsically disordered. pope francis has tried to make the church more welcoming to gays, with his phrase who am i to judge? >> even though this does not change the teaching, it changes the approach of the church. >> cruz said bishops used his sexual orientation to try to discredit his claims. he says he hopes the pope's comments will lead to the end of abuse and cover-up. >>> there is a new video out of hawaii that shows the lava making its way towards the power plant near the kilauea volcano. emergency crews are racing to protect the geothermal power plant. they say lava could trigger the release of a deadly hydrogen sul

pope: and it was immediate.holesale power rates in texas have been coming down significantly because we're retiring coal and replacing it with natural gas, wind and solar. vu: and, you know, much of the debate over climate change centers around doom-and-gloom scenarios, and you point oucain the book that thoseng tactics don't really work with people. why not? pope frankly, if you're tryi. if you're a rock-climbing coach, and you're trying to get somebody to do a pitch that is harder than something they've done before, you don't get them to do it by saying, "oh, my god. this is going to be hard. i'm not sure you can do this." no. you got to say to the person you're coaching, you say, i "hey, thlike something you've done before, and i know you can do it, and tcu're going to have to st you're going to have to work. you're going to have to be on." that's what we need to tell people about climate change.it you say, " minute. we got rid of a class of refrigeration chemicals ozat were destroying the layer. now, we have

when he told the pope he was gay, the pope responded, god made you like this, god loves you like this the vatican correspondent delia gallagher. what more do we know about this potentially extraordinary conversati conversation. that's right, juan carlos cruz met pope francis, he's a survival of sex abuse in chile. they were discussing that, juan carlos cruz said, the pope's response, it doesn't matter, god loves you like this, god made you like this. they don't normally comment on the pope's private conversations. it's notable they didn't issue a denial or a correction which they sometimes do. the point of the whole discussion is that if the pope were to say, god created you like this, it's going beyond what any pope has said before on the question of gays, and doesn't square so easily with the traditional catholic church teaching that homosexuality, the inclination to homosexuality is disordered. it opens up a host of other questions on the catholic position on gays. this is the question that is being debated right now, among many -- one interpretation wolf is simply that the pope wa

goes to meet pope francis.ncis says something that we have never heard from anyone of position at the catholic church let alone a pope before, he says god made you gay. and loves you that way. your sexuality doesn't matter. if you're a catholic or not, you would never expect to hear anything like that coming out of the vatican. juan carlos cruz is the man you're about to meet. he's the man who travelled to the vatican. he didn't need to. he's got his own life as a survivor. he's a corporate executive. he's doing well, but now he is in the middle of something that so many never expected. and it is a pleasure to meet you. >> thanks, chris. >> let's give context here. okay. you are a grown man. you are living a full life. you work for a huge company in a big position. you do not need to dwell in your teenage years, the hardest moment of your life, but you decided to go to the vatican, why? >> well, you know, it's been a fight of years, me and two of my friends who spoke up in 2005, some 2009. it was something we h

you have to be happy with who you are where the vatican has neither confirmed nor denied that the pope made the comments and they've drawn a mixed response from theologians still church watchers say that it's clear that the pope is doing all he can to make gay people feel welcomed and loved in the catholic church. these were remarkably affirming words of the pope to on carlos and in we can say stark contrast to some of the official language we've seen from the vatican and rome over the years about gay people but what the pope has done is given what we would call a very postural warm affirming words to one coddles which moves from those famous now famous phrase from the pope to judge to saying to one cause god loves you and i believe he really believes that he had to say god loves you and i love you the way you are as well. well sexuality gender and gender roles they have been controversial topics not only in catholicism but there are places where gender norms are different from what you were i may know in fact so different and they've been so different for so long that they are conside

francis the pope who rejects the pomp and the status of his holy office there are no limousines for him on state visits this is a mr. arafat yeah the vatican actually approached vendors with the idea for the film the film from the very beginning it was intended to be a kind of mouthpiece of the of mazing emotional message of this man just uses my music with remarkable candor and clarity pope francis addresses the problems of our time whether climate change or the refugee crisis he criticizes european policies powerful politicians and even the church enough emilio this it will not be i know you love it actually i mean if you would see a set if you would see it should be there for now more of the house the news of the rulers of this world or a moral towards and then finally there is one who has a different kind of credibility one that can be trusted. for kong. vendors film is not so much about pope francis' the person but about his philosophy the result is a commercial for the ideas of the head of the church the leader who has critics within the church itself. venders has succeeded in

the pope as you point out.called materialism, consumerism, the stuff we buy and enjoy, a false ideology and ironically he talked about capitalism as hurting the poor when capitalism helps the poor. i want to ask you if the pope was positive about capitalism would you have given your take? even more so why do you think he is so in favor of redistribution, world bank and all these as you put it ideas? why do you think if i can ask you that? stuart: those are fair questions, answer to question number one is i would still give the same my take because i don't believe has religion has to do with politics, the two should be totally separate. your second question is what do i think about where the pope is coming from? i think he comes from argentina, he has grown up in the era of almost a national socialist mentality there and carried that through to his term as pope. i think the man is utterly wrong. that is an answer to your question. hold on a second. i have elizabeth with me. you were raised catholic. what do you

bender's film is not so much about pope francis' the person but about his philosophy the result is a commercial for the ideas of the head of the church the leader who has critics within the church itself. venders has succeeded in making a film that is challenging and one that gives pause for thought the people portrait did not enjoy universal acclaim from titus film was much better to see two that are in directors with projects very close to their hearts. next generation thought so i go is the name of the film program with quite a prediction here in cannes one that highlights the talents of young german filmmakers and allows the short film to stand tall every year there are some quite startling mini movies including wong this year that might make you think again before that fly. splat swatting an annoying fly is easy but if only we knew the drama that then unfolds. for. him her to. use. the. words however. the. the death of a guy has an opera aria a new composition and of course drawn by hand. my own was done. on done and then it have to be a fruit fly because they're so slow there's

the pope loves you as you are. you have to be happy with who you are. >> i think it's great. >> reporter: while the pope's words don't mean a shift in teaching, gabrielle says it does welcome lgbtqs to become religious and open. >> when i came out, i was 16 in 1966. >> reporter: gabriella is not only the board president of the billy defrank lgbtq community center in san jose, she also grew up roman catholic herself. >> it seemed every religion hated us, so many of us either created gay churches or left the church or whatever. we all had to figure it out. >> reporter: the catholic diocese in san jose released a statement to kpix 5 saying, quote, those private comments, although not confirmed by the vatican, are completely in line with what other statements from the holy father. that pope francis would assert his love and god's love for that man is beyond dispute. some interpret the pope's words as also saying people are created gay by god, but gabrielle warns there's more than just the pope who make up the church. >

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the guard has been protecting popes for more than half a millenium.h doane now on the newest addition to their ranks. >> reporter: as armies go, ayey're the world's oldest, smallest, and they say most photographed. they're surely the most colorful army, too. the pageantry sunday even by vatican standards hit another level as 32 new swiss guards were sworn in. among the freshman class is 19- year-old nicholas albert. >> i give the oath in front of god to save the pope's life and giving my life for the pope. >> reporter: earlier in the day, we met albert and his fellow guards backstage. >> right now i'm a little bit nervous. i mean, it's going to be a big rremony. om reporter: in addition to tiing from switzerland and completing military training undee, these guards must be at least 5'8", under 30, single, and practicing catholics. they guard the vatican every day, and their 16th century uniform is getting a 21st century update. instead of the cast iron helmet, they've unveiled a new plastic one made by 3d printer. they're not as heavy, not as hot, and

remarkable look at the life of pope francis. >> he's known as the people's pope.orld in a new documentary "pope francis: man of his word." nbc's keir simmons caught up with the filmmaker behind this film. good morning. >> reporter: savannah, and hoda, good morning. this will be a controversial documentary that tries to get to the heart of what pope francis really thinks, perhaps summarized in that christian message, blessed are the meek, as pope francis told me at easter time when i met him and asked him for a message for america, blessed on the poor. pope francis' first five years focused solely on fighting for the poor and forgotten, says a stunning documentary, preparing in cannes overnight. the world today is mostly deaf, he tells the camera. the film's direct message, directorwim wender says, is himself. >> you get the feeling after a while, there's a man who is fearless. he knows what he stands for. he knows that he gets resistance. but he knows what is right, what he thinks is right. >> reporter: the pontiff seen chastising church leaders who appear deeply

the pope loves you. and you have to love yourself.for me, those words were magical. >> reporter: the vatican has not commented on the private conversation. but word of the pope's message is getting worldwide attention. >> do you think this could lead to changes within the church? >> well if you ask me, of course i would like everybody to feel what i felt. right now i'm trying to tell people that write to me or people that are my friends that talk to me, i try to tell them, you're not alone. we're not alone. so to me, that's really important. >> official church teaching calls for gay men and lesbians to be respected and loved but still considers lgbt people intrinsically disordered. and the pope is hoping to make the church more inclusive with his comment, who am i to judge. >> we'll be right back. at at&t, we believe in access. the opportunity for everyone to explore a digital world. connecting with the things that matter most. and because nothing keeps us more connected than the internet, we've created access from at&t. california ho

the pope, and he's the third highest- ranking member of the catholic church.s accused by multiple people of sex abuse charges that date back decades to when he was a priest in australia. the specifics are not public, and while about half of the charges were dismissed, the judge still found there's enough anidence to bring the case to reial. pell has been accused of sexually offending two choir members at a cathedral in melbourne, and of other sexual abuses at locations, including a pool. rd heard pell emphatically declare his innocence at a vatican press conference last june. >> the whole idea of sexual abuse is abhorrent to me. gnoreporter: monsignor anthony higueiredo, who has spoken with pope francis about the pell kese, told us having such a key l gure on trial puts the whole the ch in the spotlight. ne below the pope, the cardinals rde next in rank, and certainly cardinal pell, being such a senior figure, is extremely serious in terms of the credibility of the roman catholic church. g reporter: fighting sex abuse in the church is one of pope francis' prio

the pope loves you like that.he catholic church? >>> plus, royal debut. meghan markel is set to make her first public appearance as a duchess, just three days after marrying prince harry. >>> redemptive love. it changes lives. >> and we're joined by the bishop that did the sermon in the wedding. >>> and potus and chill. barack and michelle obama set a deal with netflix. the president and first lady set to work behind the camera, hoping you don't change the channel. "today," may 22nd, 2018. >>> green bay girls on the plaza. go, pack, go. >> we're here from indiana. >> celebrating my golden birthday. >> we're the why family kicking off summer. on the "today" show. ♪ >> from carolina, celebrating my 60th birthday on today. >> my daughter just got her ph.d. >> we're celebrating on "today." >> we're celebrating my 24th birthday. >> happy 21st, girl. we're going to come out and meet you guys. welcome back to "today" on this tuesday morning. what a nice crowd. can you feel summer? >> i do. i feel summer and happiness. an

clemente, vii, protecting popes for half a millennium. seth doane on the newest addition to their ranks. >> reporter: as armies go they're the world's oldest, smallest and they say the most photographed. surely the most colorful army too. the pageantry sunday even by vatican standards hit another level. as 32 new swiss guards were sworn in. among the freshmen class is 19-year-old, nicholas albert. >> i give the oath in front of god, saving the pope's life and giving my life for the pope. >> earlier in the day we metal better and his fellow guards backstage. >> right now. a little bit nervous. and, i mean it is going to be a big ceremony. >> reporter: in addition to being from switzerland and completing military training there, these guards must be at least 5'8", under 30, single and practicing catholics. they guard the vatican every day. and their,00016th century uniform is getting a 21st century update. instead of the cast iron helmet they have unveiled a new plastic one made by 3 d printer they're not as heavy, not as hot and are half t

you know, the pope frances spent his entire life in after again tina.t's kind of ironic since argentina is at this moment negotiating with the international monetary fund for a bailout. argentina is not capitalism, it was corporatism and it was a bad influence think on francis' view of how money is used. liz: here is the point. the pope is talking about the love of money as the devil, but capitalism has lifted a billion people out of poverty since 199e world bank and the pope is still not criticizing about the love of money enjoyed by socialistic dictators like north korea, venezuela and cuba. your reaction there. you still have to criticize that >> well referring to the money is kind of an argument that's beside the point. i mean, human beings have been using money since adam and eve left the garden of eden. liz: you're talking about it's not about money itself but about the love of money is the problem , right? >> well market forces, competition, and you're right, it has lifted, china, socialistic country, communist country, finally figured out the mo

, the pope said god made you this way and god loves you and i do.official teaching says that homosexual acts are disordered. so if it is true that god made juan carlos this way, does that mean that he made something intrinsically disordered. he is about order and he is about order and doesn't make anything disordered. so it throws church teaching up in the air. >> is it time for teaching to change? >> the teaching is changes on procreation and natural law. and it is based in just that and so for it to change, then we have to admit that sexuality is so much broader than just procreation and there are other intended reasons that people have sex. >> and so why would he say that. >> he's a pastor first and foremost. he a hurting man in front of him and he believes god loves you, i love you and i think that he believes that god made you this way. but i don't know if he could go right up against all of the church teaching publicly because it is such a history and all of that would have to be undone and rediscussed and maybe that will happen. >> extraordin

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that minister to the inner circle but he took actually a very open position against the pope reforms and in fact he actually supported people directly criticise a pope within that within the cardinal school i mean including including some very very very conservative voices it is not really completely clear as to whether putting this man to go back to australia is something that the pope would see. it's a political problem much of the country this could also be read as an opportunity for the pope to farther he said to reforming the cardinal and so the core of the catholic church or this could also be the vatican leaving this cardinal out to dry very much so indeed this is so disappointing the point is that in fact this is somebody that in many ways is sort of part of the brand so it's something that he's looks like you know central attacking somebody very much in the core but at the very same time it's somebody that it's very closely associated with groups you know wanted to essentially preserve a study of schools so this is not necessarily a. you know moment for this purpose in. reli

this pope is a contemporary leader.fferent from his predecessors. >> he's a different kind of guy. how do you think it plays -- that he plays with the catholic church? >> yes, it's interesting. he has this immense popularity amongst the masses. there also is a bit of friction. some of this is he's departing from the norms and traditions of the job. again, this is a very different kind of pope ceasse predecessors. >> "60 minutes" airs on sunday right here on cbs. >> up next, the other headline, including google modifying the new artificial intelligence system that makes phone calls. and "48 hours" has the long-awaited arrest in the murder case of a forme >>> this portion of "cbs this morning" sponsored by kay jewelers. jewelers. every kiss begins with kay. hing. 'cause you guys did some messed-up stuff when you were kids. so, this mother's day... go to kay. where everything is 30% off may 3rd through the 13th... ...like these gorgeous styles mom is gonna love. now that you're all grown up, thank mom for her unconditional

. >>> plus pope francis taking on wall street.f his words against the inequalities of capitalism "squawk alley" will be right back with the dow -- it's about 36 points. we'll be right back. your company is constantly evolving. and the decisions you make have far reaching implications. the right relationship with a corporate bank who understands your industry and your world can help you make well informed choices and stay ahead of opportunities. pnc brings you the resources of one of the nation's largest banks, and a local approach with a focus on customized insights. so you and your company are ready for today. >>> we are getting breaking news on a school shooting in sainta if a, texas. sue herera has more details on that. >> indeed, i do, carl. it's an all-too familiar scene we're going to show you in sainta if a, texas, southeast of houston, santa fe high school. we have reports of multiple casualties a shooter walked into the school earlier this morning, as you take a look at the high school there, you will soon see some studen

and finally, a story on the guardian website about the pope issuing guidelines for nuns about how theyngage with social media apps, saying they should use such apps "with sobriety and discretion". as we all should. with me is rolake akin—kugbe filani, who's head of energy at fbn merchant bank. ok, so let's start with the new york times and a story ——. comet everyone is kind of getting excited about the royal wedding, but american media is focusing on a more negative angle. yeah, one of the bonynge is how much the media in general hasjust taken a keen interest in this, not in meghan markle herself in herfamily. of course, we have seen that over the past few days and this is a particularly sensitive note for prince harry, he has been particularly protective of her and it seems that a lot of it has swelled up in the run—up to the wedding and it a pity because it is a wonderful occasion for the two of them. years, and there has been some criticism of the way that kensington palace has dealt with this, they have media professionals have been working on this for quite some time. -- it is. wo

the business of pope francis. -- the visit of pope francis. the thing i find most interesting about julia, she speaks latin. i said, what is a good jewish girl speaking latin? i speak for years of latin and i -- i took four years of latin and i can't say a word. she was also on jeopardy and did really well. as someone with six grandchildren, she does balloon sculpture. what do you call it, twisting? >> twisters. john: i am signing her up. that will pay better than this. she is not a republican leader, she is an observer of the republican party. next, he has been a part of the national review for 20 years. he has showed up on the bloomberg syndicate. -- he is part of the bloomberg syndicate and shows up on pbs. he has been a powerful defender of human rights and has written a couple of wonderful pieces on the young trials in england. he grew up in kansas. i think your father was hindu, and your mother was lutheran. so of course, he became a catholic. he had a wonderful interview with an american magazine, where he talked about that choice. and,