popp, will you come here please? fact, by the time his interview with a government claims rep begins, there's no mention of any car. >> so you don't drive at all, is that right? >> no. >> reporter: what popp can't see is that agents have set him up in a simple but elegant trap. listen as this disarming claims rep cleverly extracts details about larry's painful life without sight. >> so you can't really read anything that's unmagnified? >> right. no. >> you can't do almost anything that you used to do? >> no. my lifestyle has changed radically. >> reporter: but the tape reveals one thing lawrence popp is very good at -- lying. >> do you declare under penalty of perjury that the information you've given me is true and correct to the best of your knowledge? >> yes. >> i have seen tons and tons of people like this in my career. >> reporter: you remember abc news consultant bob kiehn. he's that private eye whose weapon of choice is a video camera. we asked kiehn to give us the tale of the tape. >> people in popp's positio

this court finds that doppler, the name given to the program executive action to a court finds that poppe is not constitute an adequate enforcement that it is an announce program of non-enforcement of the laws that contradicts congress' statutory goals. .org does not represent the inadequacy. it is complete abdication. the department of homeland security does have discretion in amman in which it chooses to both express will of congress but it cannot, however enact a program whereby a novel but ignores the dictates of congress but asked to thwart them? the court went on further to say the department for much of a sector just rewriting the laws come he is creating them from scratch. finally, the judge said the department of homeland security does not seek compliance with federal law in any form but instead establishes a pathway for noncompliance completely abandons entire sections of this country's immigration law. closed quote. i know you disagree with judge hainan, and the courts will finally decide the propriety of his judgment and of course, this is going to take some time i would imagi

i got a phone call for the chief of staffs poppe boss. i'm going to ask you to excuse me for just a second or i'll come back and try to reclaim my time. i apologize. i'm still going to ask that question, excuse me. >> let's talk about fencing. when we were preparing for this meeting we've got a chart official of the different types of dancing but one of the charts i wanted to produce was come i wanted to lay out the border, and i wanted to specifycome here are the different types of fencing along the lines and i found i get sure that because it's law enforcement sensitive. i will first ask chief vitiello why would the fencing and the quality of the fencing and the type of fencing along the border be law enforcement sensitive? that's a secret that isn't exactly a secret. >> i really don't understand that as well. i think that the documents that were sent over that we were traded back and forth that we are trying to the bootleg and preparing for today's testimony were marked. i'm not sure the origination of those markings. i agree with you