. >> miles popper for the nonproliferation studies. question for art oral of monroe. in your presentation you said that there has been a -- russia reemphasized importance of nuclear weapons. i wanted to know you base that on because the recently published russian military doctrine d emphasizes the role of nuclear weapons including tactical nuclear weapons so what is the basis for your assertion? >> i try to follow russian -- i try to follow his russian established policy, russian writings. i try to read the latest statements as in this case, and i think as the media reports those, you get from the same

johnson, who is karl popper? >> karl popper was an austrian who came to england, who taught in new zealand, philosophy, who then came to england, and who died here not so long ago at a great age. he did two very important things in his life. first of all, he wrote a book called the open society and its enemies, in which he identified the nature of totalitarianism and contrasted it with the nature of true democracy and republican government. that was one of the important things he did. and secondly, he wrote an excellent book on how science operates, and what is good science and what is bad science. and i think, really, he has had more influence on my thinking and writing than almost anyone else. and one of my proudest possessions is a wonderful letter he wrote to me when my book, "modern times," was published and he read it and he strongly approved of the book and the opinions he expressed in it because he lived through all those years. and he wrote me this wonderful letter, which i have framed and hanging over m

johnson, who is karl popper. >> guest: karl popper was an austrian who came to england -- who taughtland philosophy. who then came to england and who died here not so long ago at a great age. he did two very important things in his life. first of all, he wrote a book called "the open society and its enemies" in which he identified the nature of totalitarianism. and contrasted it with the nature of true democracy and republican government. that was one of the important thing he did. secondly, he wrote an excellent book on how science operates and what is good science and what is bad science. and i think he had more influence on my thinking and writing than almost anyone else. and one of my proudest possessions is a wonderful letter he wrote to me when my book "modern times" was published and he read it. and he strongly approved of the book. and of the opinions expressed in it. of course, he lived through all those years. he wrote me this wonderful letter which i have frames. -- which i have it framed and hangs over my desk. he's my favorite philosopher. and i think he is particularly

miles popper from the center of nonproliferation studies again. i have a question. .. [applause] >> out of clothes and a discussion in this day long conference in everett's to reduce global nuclear stockpiles. exchange publications host of this event, part of its second annual nuclear deterrence segment. this is about 90 minutes. >> experience dating back to -- why do i do this ron -- formerly of the simpson center, formerly of senator demint choose staffing way back when when i first met her. there rego. why am i doing this wrong? she will moderate this session and if we could have our other two speakers appear. we have two more. we have george and darrell. i don't know why i am doing this, i pushed the wrong button. there we go. >> thank you very much and is quite a privileged to moderate this clash of the titans if you will. obviously this subject place in to every facet of the coming dialogue over the next two days. i know i picked the right field to be an and the reason is that it's always at these conferences where i never have to wait in line in the ladies' rest

ended up having extraordinary problems, in terms of unorthodox business practices, who ended up a popper, who ended up a convicted felon. and this was bill clinton's business partner. that was a problem. and you can't understand the story that some people who i trust very much on both sides said you cannot understand the story unless you understand where it starts with whitewater. and they were right. >> host: there's a magnetism, strangely, about jim google. that maybe explains why a president clinton became a partner. clearly a smart man, well read. clearly loving the limelight. what was it about jim mcdougal that really attracted the clintons to him, do you think? in the early days. >> guest: people don't understand is. bill clinton was a young aspiring politician, and jim mcdougal was a more established older guy who worked with senator fulbright from arkansas. so the way that susan mcdougal described it, when she first met bill clinton who was running thin for attorney general, he looked up to jim mcdougal because jim was, you know, known as a great entrepreneur and he was a smart f