. >> i think i might know what you're gonna bring up -- porngate. >> well, porngate, but also -- >> 'use some would say that is something good that came out of her administration, exposing what people were doing on state time with state computers. >> yeah. well, it sort of -- it was despite her that it happened. she actually used porngate in a very strategic, manipulative way. she only released, at the beginning, those e-mails that would have tainted her political enemies, like fina. and, you know, the judges got caught up in it as well. but i was listening to what one of the jurors -- i think his name was golosa -- was saying, and to the judge's point, he was talking about how truly inept she was, and how the mistakes that she made were such amateurish mistakes. and they were fueled -- and i hate to say this. i'm the woman here. but they were fueled by almost this sense of vengeance, this "mean girl" kind of "i'm gonna go after you because, you know, you're a part of that old boy network, and i'm gonna -- and they're gonna protect me, because i'm gonna be able to go out there and shi