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and i have seen the port change into a world-class port and she was part of all of this happening. so one of the main reasons i am here to speak i used to be with the puc, public utilities commission and running a training and linda wong was my favorite intern and she left me to return here and she is now the rules clerk for your boards and i really wanted to come and say hello, linda. [ laughter ] and ask to you continue to support the fine work that kimberly is doing. thank you. >> thank you. >> mr. chair, members. my name is vincent mccarlie, i am chief executive officer -- and i strongly support the re-appoint of kimberly brandon to the commission. as a smalls business enterprise in the city, my brandon has been a local and consistent supporter of small businesses and whenever there are deliberations before the port, she is very concerted to make sure that they are part of the process and i have provided written comments and very much support her re-appointment. thank you all very much. >> thank you. >> chairman yee, supervisors breed and my supervisor cohen. my name is timothy
and i have seen the port change into a world-class port and she was part of all of this happening. so one of the main reasons i am here to speak i used to be with the puc, public utilities commission and running a training and linda wong was my favorite intern and she left me to return here and she is now the rules clerk for your boards and i really wanted to come and say hello, linda. [ laughter ] and ask to you continue to support the fine work that kimberly is doing. thank you. >>...
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what did i say to port of america? i am disturbed by the fact that down in la that you got the bid and metro is doing the stevedoring. if you get the bid and have someone else do the work for you it shows you you don't have a handle on it. i would ask when you come back in september when the three parties come together, when you need to sit dow
what did i say to port of america? i am disturbed by the fact that down in la that you got the bid and metro is doing the stevedoring. if you get the bid and have someone else do the work for you it shows you you don't have a handle on it. i would ask when you come back in september when the three parties come together, when you need to sit dow
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ports america was givne 127.2 points. the provided exhibit d in the staff report which brings it down to a specific details and the panel's average score for each evaluation criteria. in every single evaluation category metro outscored ports america. every panel member scored metro as being the highest-ranked respondent. there was no unity in terms of metro versus ports america. the poor staff supports the evaluation panel's writing because metro has a better defined business plan for a cruise operations; will partner with hartman studios (sounds like) for special events and they have extensive experience in san francisco. further, metro provided a financial report that is realistic and provides a profit-sharing component. the port receives $180,000 a year of the operation and with metro assuming management of the pier's operations -- the number of cruise calls and parking, revenue will be approximately 1 million a year. the estimated port revenue would be 4-5 million a year for the initial five years. since the evaluatio
ports america was givne 127.2 points. the provided exhibit d in the staff report which brings it down to a specific details and the panel's average score for each evaluation criteria. in every single evaluation category metro outscored ports america. every panel member scored metro as being the highest-ranked respondent. there was no unity in terms of metro versus ports america. the poor staff supports the evaluation panel's writing because metro has a better defined business plan for a cruise...
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we are port tenants; we support what the port wants to do and appreciate what the port gives us. thank you. >> is there any other comment? commissioners any comment? >> -- inds (indiscernible)>> wanted to thank carol bock for her presentation; it was heartening to see the kind of work that we're doing and the stewardship of the port exhibits along our waterfront. i'm struck by the hard work that has gone in by so many people that are still around, people and faces continuously pop up. i want to thank the mission creek alliance; people like karin who seem to be at the forefront of every issue before us and david bellpray (sounds like) -- as you noted heron's head park -- having been there with my dog, i appreciate the dog park, he loved it. >> you are being gracious to say that it had all the support but there was some opposition. heron's head park has received several honors which should be attributed to carol and david and the whole thing that made a lot to make this happen. because of the port's alliance with parks and rec in the 2008 bond we were able to do mission creek and t
we are port tenants; we support what the port wants to do and appreciate what the port gives us. thank you. >> is there any other comment? commissioners any comment? >> -- inds (indiscernible)>> wanted to thank carol bock for her presentation; it was heartening to see the kind of work that we're doing and the stewardship of the port exhibits along our waterfront. i'm struck by the hard work that has gone in by so many people that are still around, people and faces continuously...
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what did i say to port of america? i am disturbed by the fact that down in la that you got the bid and metro is doing the stevedoring. if you get the bid and have someone else do the work for you it shows you you don't have a handle on it. i would ask when you come back in september when the three parties come together, when you need to sit down and resolve the issues. negotiation is about give and take. you never get everything you want. i want to go out with metro and the port of san francisco and double the amount of cruise ships coming in; i want to work with metro and jim peters so that we can buld a state-of-the-art bulk facility. i want china to invest in our port and our city. thank you. >> thank you willie, and i appreciate the comments of the made. i want to add that i think we echo that we want these issues resolved. we want labor peace. we are here to make a decision on whether metro is a qualified bidder. we heard a lot of similar to say they are the qualified bidder; this is not the final contract. with s
what did i say to port of america? i am disturbed by the fact that down in la that you got the bid and metro is doing the stevedoring. if you get the bid and have someone else do the work for you it shows you you don't have a handle on it. i would ask when you come back in september when the three parties come together, when you need to sit down and resolve the issues. negotiation is about give and take. you never get everything you want. i want to go out with metro and the port of san...
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habitat improvements, the port sought funding . so in 2006, with funding from california state coastal conservancy, the san francisco bay natural resources section trust, and the port's capital budget we undertook habitat improvements at pier 94 that included removing those debris piles and piles of tires and asphalt to create a more natural wetland plain and tidal inundation channels and placing a sand and gravel burm. in doing so we created five acres of new wetlands area, and improved water circulation and habitat quality overall. following construction the golden gate audubon society really adopted this site and they have worked side-by-side with the port ever since to conduct monitoring required by our permits for the project, to monitor the success of the habitat restoration. they undertook a project to plant and endangered tidal marsh called california seablight once abundant in san francisco bay. today pier 94 supports a small but healthy wetland with wide variety of common and uncommon birds sighted by birdwatchers on a re
habitat improvements, the port sought funding . so in 2006, with funding from california state coastal conservancy, the san francisco bay natural resources section trust, and the port's capital budget we undertook habitat improvements at pier 94 that included removing those debris piles and piles of tires and asphalt to create a more natural wetland plain and tidal inundation channels and placing a sand and gravel burm. in doing so we created five acres of new wetlands area, and improved water...
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and i have seen the port change into a world-class port and she was part of all of this happening. so one of the main reasons i am here to speak i used to be with the puc, public utilities commission and running a training and linda wong was my favorite intern and she left me to return here and she is now the rules clerk for your boards and i really wanted to come and say hello, linda. [ laughter ] and ask to you continue to support the fine work that kimberly is doing. thank you. >> thank you. >> mr. chair, members. my name is vincent mccarlie, i am chief executive officer -- and i strongly support the re-appoint of kimberly brandon to the commission. as a smalls
and i have seen the port change into a world-class port and she was part of all of this happening. so one of the main reasons i am here to speak i used to be with the puc, public utilities commission and running a training and linda wong was my favorite intern and she left me to return here and she is now the rules clerk for your boards and i really wanted to come and say hello, linda. [ laughter ] and ask to you continue to support the fine work that kimberly is doing. thank you. >>...
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so, we have a hearing, port budget update. we have the executive director of the port, ms. monique moyer, thank you very much for being here. >> thank you very much, mr. chair. for the record, monique moyer for the port of san francisco. i want to thank you for carving out time for all the items today. we hope to be succinct as you need us to be, [speaker not understood], but we appreciate the time. i also want to thank the campbell and the [speaker not understood] for the amazing amount of work she's doing for us, [speaker not understood] and the mayor's budget office. i think i said that backwards, budget analyst and budget office respectively for all of their help. very quickly, we have -- are on the second year of our two-year budget and we just have a few items to make changes to which fall within the required 4%. and, so, i'll walk through those in just a second. to recap where we're headed as a port, we've strategic plan that i've identified, five priorities, for the record those are to preserve industrial and commercial maritime tenants and uses as we've been doing
so, we have a hearing, port budget update. we have the executive director of the port, ms. monique moyer, thank you very much for being here. >> thank you very much, mr. chair. for the record, monique moyer for the port of san francisco. i want to thank you for carving out time for all the items today. we hope to be succinct as you need us to be, [speaker not understood], but we appreciate the time. i also want to thank the campbell and the [speaker not understood] for the amazing amount...
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submitted to the port last week. we raised our concerns at the port commission hearing on may 14th about not being included in the pier 70 redevelopment plans, and it was very gratifying to be heard. we very much look forward to working together in an atmosphere of trust and good faith. i have just a couple of brief points this afternoon to bring to your attention. firstly, since the wording on forest city's term sheet regarding the artist is brief and general, we wish to say clearly that affordable comparable art studio space is required not only for current existing tenants and subtenant but also for the benefit of future artists and request that the space be made in order to perpetuate the long history of pier 70 as one of san francisco few remaining vibrant creative centers. secondly, the nunan building artists remain commited to pursuing the option of preserving the building itself as a special building of historic significance, but for the living, breathing and current community within it. >> thank you. >> than
submitted to the port last week. we raised our concerns at the port commission hearing on may 14th about not being included in the pier 70 redevelopment plans, and it was very gratifying to be heard. we very much look forward to working together in an atmosphere of trust and good faith. i have just a couple of brief points this afternoon to bring to your attention. firstly, since the wording on forest city's term sheet regarding the artist is brief and general, we wish to say clearly that...
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first, the port looked to all other available sources before proposing new revenue, port revenue bonds and the port is also requesting a reallocation of existing taxable debt to taxable projects in the northern waterfront which i will describe. items 5 and 6 allow us to authorize newport revenue bonds and allow us to on an interim basis utilize the city's commercial paper program. and item 6 is an appropriation ordinance of 34.7 million of which 25.3 is new rev nigh bond funds is 9.4 is reallocation. these sources are intended for two purposes. face 2 of the cruise terminal and northern waterfront historic pier projects. the reason for bringing these items now is in advance of having the pos and sale documents is to keep the cruise terminal schedule so we can award big contracts. so, that is the purpose. we'll be back in the fall with the request for sale. just a bit about the facility. as you know, it was completed. phase 1 was completed february 28 of this year. the event authority is using the facility now as the america's cup village and will do so until october 1st. phase 2 of the
first, the port looked to all other available sources before proposing new revenue, port revenue bonds and the port is also requesting a reallocation of existing taxable debt to taxable projects in the northern waterfront which i will describe. items 5 and 6 allow us to authorize newport revenue bonds and allow us to on an interim basis utilize the city's commercial paper program. and item 6 is an appropriation ordinance of 34.7 million of which 25.3 is new rev nigh bond funds is 9.4 is...
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the port of san francisco, congratulations to the city of san francisco. thank you. [ applause ] >> you're watching quick bite, the show that has san francisco. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> we're here at one of the many food centric districts of san francisco, the 18th street corridor which locals have affectionately dubbed the castro. a cross between castro and gastronomic. the bakery, pizza, and dolores park cafe, there is no end in sight for the mouth watering food options here. adding to the culinary delights is the family of business he which includes skylight creamery, skylight and the 18 raisin. >> skylight market has been here since 1940. it's been in the family since 1964. his father and uncle bought the market and ran it through sam taking it over in 1998. at that point sam revamped the market. he installed a kitchen in the center of the market and really made it a place where chefs look forward to come. he created community through food. so, we designed our community as having three parts we like to draw as a triangle where it's comprised of our producers that make
the port of san francisco, congratulations to the city of san francisco. thank you. [ applause ] >> you're watching quick bite, the show that has san francisco. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> we're here at one of the many food centric districts of san francisco, the 18th street corridor which locals have affectionately dubbed the castro. a cross between castro and gastronomic. the bakery, pizza, and dolores park cafe, there is no end in sight for the mouth watering food options here. adding to the...
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i was loaned from the planning department to the port to develop the port's waterfront land use plan.n terms of getting back to the question, shouldn't the low -- some of these low revenue uses locate here. this shrinking industrial base within the southeast section of the city is making it more difficult. there's more eyes looking to the port's property to absorb as much of that. and for certain things like a concrete batch plant and aggregate where you can make that maritime connection where it's related to using the water to transport things, that works. but if we want to put an auto repair shop on port property, those kinds of lower revenue, but still needed, the pdr use, the production distribution and repair uses, not all of them as a category can be allowed on port property. >> right. this photograph is interesting. this is an area just before you get to the hunters point naval shipyard, gate. and i intended to put it there because i wanted to talk about the conflict that occurred, not just at this site, but all along the weighter front. we have an old maritime use which is pre
i was loaned from the planning department to the port to develop the port's waterfront land use plan.n terms of getting back to the question, shouldn't the low -- some of these low revenue uses locate here. this shrinking industrial base within the southeast section of the city is making it more difficult. there's more eyes looking to the port's property to absorb as much of that. and for certain things like a concrete batch plant and aggregate where you can make that maritime connection where...
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annual revenues of the port. the opportunity to solicit all opportunities except where impractical and feasible, under the city charter if i lease out an office, under the charter, i am supposed to bid that. and we the way that we, handle that is we come and get delegated authority, under the port's leasing policy. given the volume of leases that we do, this year, i believe up to date we have done about 66 leases. and this would just be impossible and impractical to bid those lease and it can't be done. such as a typical there are leases that we have to do bid obviously if it is a retail, or if it is outside of the leasing parameters we do competitively bid those agreement and again, just on a brief overview, our standard form agreements we have a boilerplate lease and we use that lease for all types of leasing and it can be a parameter deal with no port commission approval and a board of supervisor approval and we can take that lease and we can adapt it for a restaurant use or something different. we maintain ab
annual revenues of the port. the opportunity to solicit all opportunities except where impractical and feasible, under the city charter if i lease out an office, under the charter, i am supposed to bid that. and we the way that we, handle that is we come and get delegated authority, under the port's leasing policy. given the volume of leases that we do, this year, i believe up to date we have done about 66 leases. and this would just be impossible and impractical to bid those lease and it can't...
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the project will generate 100 million dollars of income to the port and the city. the size and significance do not always correlate. pier 24 brought 27,000 of industrial square feet, and it is now one of the most photographic exhibit spaces in north america. as represented by the past projects we understand the complexities of waterfront atonement. we commit and we deliver. we are working with an excellent team whose members have had extensive waterfront and historic rehabilitation experience. they are all here today. have made an exhaustive study of every aspect of this project. additionally is proven on past projects we are committed to exceeding the port's lbe goals. without i would like to go into the pier 38 rehabilitation concept. in conjunction with our historic architects -- we have thoroughly scoped and research the site to identify the areas of historic significance to ensure that our short and long-term development plans a privately preserve the historic fabric while exhaustingly analyzing the -- remedies. more and more the waterfront is a people place.
the project will generate 100 million dollars of income to the port and the city. the size and significance do not always correlate. pier 24 brought 27,000 of industrial square feet, and it is now one of the most photographic exhibit spaces in north america. as represented by the past projects we understand the complexities of waterfront atonement. we commit and we deliver. we are working with an excellent team whose members have had extensive waterfront and historic rehabilitation experience....
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at the port have been a long time coming. it's been a long time for us to be able to raise the funds that we're being able to invest now and have programs under which they kc invested and dedicated and i'm proud to tell you that for the first time in over 50 years the port is actually investing its own money with the city's help. and that has come from the good stewardship of the port commission and in particular the financial acumen of commissioner brandon. she is very concerned about the vibrancy of the southern waterfront and the beautification policy where we set aside monies from the revenues from mariposa street south to beautify the neighborhood and we have accumulated enough money that you will start seeing some of those investments and others that are happening along the creek that are not the port, but really changing the face there. it took the city about three decades to get the northern waterfront in the way that it is today. and one big factor to that was the course the federal investment in the embarcadero road
at the port have been a long time coming. it's been a long time for us to be able to raise the funds that we're being able to invest now and have programs under which they kc invested and dedicated and i'm proud to tell you that for the first time in over 50 years the port is actually investing its own money with the city's help. and that has come from the good stewardship of the port commission and in particular the financial acumen of commissioner brandon. she is very concerned about the...
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i want to thank, past and present port commissioners, and i see them here now. that they have earned the title of being the greatest stewarts of our water front and so thank you for your ongoing effort to do this. [ applause ] >> and the work incredibly well with the other agencies. i know that because this is pier 39 and one of the most iconic travel destinations, i understand that is why, john martin was here, because while he flies airplanes he is part of an incredible transportation center and we all know that and we all share in that wonderful experience with being clearly, the best nation for so many, millions of people, every day. and as we do this, we reinvent and reinvest and find other reasons for people to enjoy themselves here. and those projects like the exporatorium and like the bay lights and renewed effort to create more water-base theds transportation to compliment the bridges that we build. we will create more bridges on the international level for our city. so, all of that in the context of a great anniversary, 150 years, there is going to be
i want to thank, past and present port commissioners, and i see them here now. that they have earned the title of being the greatest stewarts of our water front and so thank you for your ongoing effort to do this. [ applause ] >> and the work incredibly well with the other agencies. i know that because this is pier 39 and one of the most iconic travel destinations, i understand that is why, john martin was here, because while he flies airplanes he is part of an incredible transportation...
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i want to recognize the port staff in their hard work and the mayor's office and port staff to work on all the projects. and this one exemifies so many purposes, i can't wait to see when anchorstein is here, this is a tourist attraction. this is a great beginning. it's not the end. we have so many more things coming, the exploretorium will be coming soon. and i am happy to facilitate what we expect over the next decade. this wonderful waterfront for san francisco, the citizens and the world. thank you. >> thank you, i appreciate your remarks. ladies and gentlemen, the moment has arrived. where we get to raise a glass. and for those of you who don't mind the chill, we will actually taste a bit and be inspired -- any who works for the port, that's a no no. larry says the giants too. but he will be on the down-low, so you have my blessing. if i may ask all to join us and make a toast to the future. >> don't count. one, two, three. very nice. very nice. >> need some help? >> cheers. >> we will be available for questions. thank you very much.
i want to recognize the port staff in their hard work and the mayor's office and port staff to work on all the projects. and this one exemifies so many purposes, i can't wait to see when anchorstein is here, this is a tourist attraction. this is a great beginning. it's not the end. we have so many more things coming, the exploretorium will be coming soon. and i am happy to facilitate what we expect over the next decade. this wonderful waterfront for san francisco, the citizens and the world....
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you know, once you become a port tenant, you are going to be a port tenant for a while. we do review our month to month leases to up them to market. and so that is one process, that is going on, and then, you know, hit different buildings for marketing. for example, 501. we are experiencing quite a bit of vacantcy there and so what will we do? we will put it on the website and do fliers and you know, talk to tenants. >> so do you happen to know what is on jerry's (inaudible) forward looking list of what number? >> that is? >> you know, we, you know, there is actively probably 20 leases that are being evaluated and some state of negotiation from some of the property managers. >> commissioners susan ren olds director of real estate. we are going through a process right now to update the renew al, list and we have a new admin manager and she has stepped in and made a lease and there are 40 leases coming up that the property managers will need to renew or extend and that speaks to jeff's retention statement. that probably all of those tenants will renew. and because we had t
you know, once you become a port tenant, you are going to be a port tenant for a while. we do review our month to month leases to up them to market. and so that is one process, that is going on, and then, you know, hit different buildings for marketing. for example, 501. we are experiencing quite a bit of vacantcy there and so what will we do? we will put it on the website and do fliers and you know, talk to tenants. >> so do you happen to know what is on jerry's (inaudible) forward...
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and we ask port staff to come back >> kim port project director. one of the parts of phasing this project was that we the america's cup effort authority came into the picture and it became apparently this there was some issue about the entitlements to get the phase of the building completed for they're first special font. really the second part of the project phase two which is part of the request is to build out the two acre waterfront park and the in my fender system and the borders point of protection. so this is the first phase of the project >> that's sort of my point those projects shouldn't it be put out forbid separately. >> that was certainly an option. the decision was made to bid it in phases and it's a construction management construction contract to our contractor receives the work that they do. >> maybe i need to ask the city attorney what you're opinion is in terms of how we put things out to bid. >> deputy city attorney john. i'm - i can't speak in any daily about this particular contract, however, our office is involved in the cont
and we ask port staff to come back >> kim port project director. one of the parts of phasing this project was that we the america's cup effort authority came into the picture and it became apparently this there was some issue about the entitlements to get the phase of the building completed for they're first special font. really the second part of the project phase two which is part of the request is to build out the two acre waterfront park and the in my fender system and the borders...
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i talked about that the generated port and that's $2 billion. and then as we're looking at those parking garages that's a very smart financial play for the park. it can generate close to $3 million over the life of the deal. so you can see the revenues over time. the port isn't going to make money while we're paying for the infrastructure, but it will increase to $30 million by 2016. i want to close by recognizing that pier 70 has been a long term effort of a variety of port and city staff. it really takes a lot of staff commitment to develop a neighborhood like this and i like to thank monique, the director, jennifer mats is the mayor's water front director, kathleen dyhap manage the selection process and we've had great participation from our central water front advisory group, so in closing i want to just point to the next steps, we're going to be in a three entitlement phase for the project where we'll have a trust swap and we'll be back in front of you hopefully by late 2016 to seek your final approval of the project. thank you very much. >
i talked about that the generated port and that's $2 billion. and then as we're looking at those parking garages that's a very smart financial play for the park. it can generate close to $3 million over the life of the deal. so you can see the revenues over time. the port isn't going to make money while we're paying for the infrastructure, but it will increase to $30 million by 2016. i want to close by recognizing that pier 70 has been a long term effort of a variety of port and city staff. it...
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2011 port security grant program funds for port-wide cctv and for pier 80 security improvements for the period of june 1st through 30th, 2013. >> colleagues, can we take these items same house same call? without objection, these ordinances are passed on first read and resolutions adopted. [gavel] >> item 20. >> item 20 is a resolution retroactively authorizing the department of public health, community, behavioral services to enter into an amended agreement with the state of california department of alcohol drug programs through the period of july 1st, 2010 through june 30th, 2014. in the amount of approximately 69 million implementing a contingency assignment of agreement in the fiscal year 2013-14 if the 2013-14 budget act is entitle acted [speaker not understood] and transfer nonmedvedevical [speaker not understood]. >> same house same call. this resolution is adopted. gov >> can you call 21 through 23 having to do with mobile food trucks. >> item 21 [speaker not understood]. item 23 is the ordinance amending the public works code to address various locational and noticing requiremen
2011 port security grant program funds for port-wide cctv and for pier 80 security improvements for the period of june 1st through 30th, 2013. >> colleagues, can we take these items same house same call? without objection, these ordinances are passed on first read and resolutions adopted. [gavel] >> item 20. >> item 20 is a resolution retroactively authorizing the department of public health, community, behavioral services to enter into an amended agreement with the state of...
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. >> good evening, commissioners and members of the public and port staff thank you for being here today. i want to start by aapologizing for the lack of our video system. it has been on the fritz for quite a while and it finally just gave up. we have had many people hoping for a repair and not a full replacement. and so george has promised me that it will be as good as new coming up soon here, hopefully by the next meetings but apologis for the inconvenience today. >> so if there is any reason that you can't see the presentations being made, feel free to swag us and let us know. i just have a few items to report, some very happy news as my first item and tuesday may 14th, the board of supervisors unanimously approved the term sheet for the sea wall lot 337 in pier 37 known as mission rock, this is very good news for us and i don't think that we have had a term sheet approved unanimously by the order of supervisor and so it was a testament to the many, many years of planning and effort that have gone into this transaction and the great support that we have from the community in particula
. >> good evening, commissioners and members of the public and port staff thank you for being here today. i want to start by aapologizing for the lack of our video system. it has been on the fritz for quite a while and it finally just gave up. we have had many people hoping for a repair and not a full replacement. and so george has promised me that it will be as good as new coming up soon here, hopefully by the next meetings but apologis for the inconvenience today. >> so if there...