are saying portila is -- >> it does. what you've done it is what you have stepped through the public submission. then we have gone to planning or elections. so most of your neighborhoods are probably in line with the public submissions if you overlay the same neighborhoods by the department of elections it will not matter because they are there for different purposes. you may see their pieces outside of your lines even though they've conform to the submissions. >> for the purpose of this discussion, if that is true, and nothing is true, because depending on what you overlay, it is inconsistent with something. so how we choose a standard, a guide post that is accepted? otherwise, everything is debatable. >> maybe it helps to think about it is making two findings. one are making a finding of what is a recognized neighborhood and the second that you are preserving their recognized neighborhood. so the recognized neighborhood is for this purpose whatever you say it is. that could be based on public testimony or based on the

i think we would probably find as a group that we brought the portila together and put it in 9. i'm not sure if the entire area tracks 100% to a public submission, the department of elections or city planning, but i think we can still make the finding reasonably that we brought the portila together and put it in 9. what i'm hoping for is that the consulting can look at what was done and say these, we feel very comfortable and recommending that you find and these are some ones where you may need to vote and make that judgment call. because i think all of these are judgments for us to make. does that make any sense at 12:30 in the morning? >> no. apologies. >> all right. i tried. >> mr. alonso. >> i'm sorry, but somehow i cannot help but feel that we are making this a lot more complicated than it has to be. the bottom line is we were the ones that defined these neighborhoods. and we did based on public testimony, especially after we realized that a lot of the planning maps, a lot of the electoral maps were insufficient. so eventually the neighborhoods are as we did find them. and

are saying portila is -- >> it does.