hilary cass�* interim report in 2022 questioned the use of puberty blockers at the tavistock and portman trustwhich provided gender services. and that led to a series of events, including an inspection by the regulator, the cqc, which found the service to be inadequate. and then last month nhs england said puberty blockers would no longer be routinely prescribed, and the service at the tavistock and portman was brought to an end with two new clinics being set up. so this is a long—running and much debated issue. i think the things that stand out for me is the fact in herforward to the report, dr cass is saying directly, "i want to speak directly to children and young people how they've been let down", that there wasn't adequate, in her view, research or evidence to support the long—term use of puberty, blockers and hormone treatment. and that that was partly, i think she's she more or less implies, because of the toxic debate around the issue and the fact that some clinicians were shying away from the whole thing, didn't want to get involved, were reluctant to engage. and you had this large ri

t"ia: tavistock and portman trust provided for young people?ery carefully the report to find out how they can address these issues with gender services in scotland and we haven't had a reaction yet from the administration in northern ireland but i think this report will resonate around the uk. it's interesting to just add on the thought that hillary cass makes the report that there are different approaches are no clear view indifferent different health care systems and germany, switzerland and austria have continued to be liberal in their views on the use of puberty blockers, whereas in sweden, finland and now england by definition that the uk has taken a different view on that issue of puberty blockers. {lane that issue of puberty blockers. one final oint that issue of puberty blockers. one final point to _ that issue of puberty blockers. one final point to you, sonia. are you optimistic that we can now deal with this going forward in an open way? i think this report is incredibly important in taking the heat out and going _ important in takin

hilary cass�* interim report in 2022 questioned the use of puberty blockers at the tavistock and portman trustnspection by the regulator, the coc, which found the service to be inadequate. and then last month nhs england said puberty blockers would no longer be routinely prescribed, and the service at the tavistock and portman was brought to an end with two new clinics being set up. so this is a long—running and much debated issue. i think the things that stand out for me is the fact in herforward to the report, dr cass is saying directly,

closed gender identity development service , or the service, or gids, at the tavistock and portman nhs foundation trustross—sex hormones. despite weak evidence despite remarkably weak evidence that they improved the health of young people . so here to discuss young people. so here to discuss this, i'm delighted to be joined by the barrister campaigner by the barrister and campaigner sarah the sarah phillimore. welcome to the show . welcome back to the show. show. welcome back to the show. it's always a pleasure to have you.thank it's always a pleasure to have you. thank you, let's talk about the cass review then. what do you think are the most important findings from your perspective? >> i think there's about findings from your perspective? >>recommendations.e's about findings from your perspective? >>recommendations.e's ab oft 31 recommendations. a lot of it is service that is about the service that children because this children need. yes, because this clearly a report saying clearly isn't a report saying being wrong. let's stop being trans is wrong. let's stop it. saying there are lots it. it's sayi

trust me, republicans will do the same thing. they will. it was an interesting and also pathetic point to make. portmany would impeach a president who had committed no impeachable offenses simply out of spite. >> so jeffrey, this is a tough piece. it is an important reminder about why we are where we are. the senate could have, should have impeached donald trump for knowing what they knew he did. they were at the scene of the crime. they spoke out against it in the most empassioned way. but then these senators, some of them good friends for 20 to 25 years, did what i considered to be unthinkable. they voted to acquit donald trump. the question is why? why would they acquit a guy that they know could have cost them their very lives and tried to foment an antidemocracy revolution. >> right. the why is unknowable, except to these folks in their hearts. but we have notions of why this happened, fear for one thing, literal fear, the same sort of mob that attacked the capital, attacking them physically. they are worried about their families. probably a more broader explanation would be popularity. this is wh

trust me republicans will do the same thing. they will. it was an interesting and also pathetic point to make, portman was arguing that his republican colleaguesuld impeach a president who had committed no impeachable offenses simply out of spite. >> so, jeffrey, this is a tough piece. it's an important reminder, though, about why we are where we are. the senate could have, should have impeached donald trump. for doing what they know he did. they were there. >> they spoke out against it. >> they spoke out against it in the most impassioned way, then these senators, some of them did what i considered to be unthinkable. they voted to acquit donald trump. the question, jeffrey, is why, why would they acquit a guy that they know could have cost them their very lives. >> right. i mean, the why's unno-able except to these folks in their hearts. we have notions of why this happened, fear for one thing, literal fear. the same sort of mob that attacked the capitol attacking them. physically. they're worried about their families. probably a more broader explanation would simply be popularity, this is where the republican party was going. these are elect