slate that talked about how santa should not be portrayed as white all the time, in fact there is an argument that he should be a penguin. going back to st. nicholas himself, nicholas looked similar to jesus the man. he was in turkey right? >> he was a bishop of turkey and gave out presents and things like this. this is really a crazy conversation. it's much more like the barbie doll conversation. should all barbi barbie dolls be white, no. it's okay to have other santas of different colors. it's fine just as barbie dolls. that's fine. we are a different nation than we were 50 years ago, that's fine, more inclusive. that's really a good thing. we have to talk about now not 50 years ago. >> the origin of santa claus was a northern european creation as a white santa clause, she had a point mentioning that but people can interpret jesus, any way they want. i have to ask the jesus panel what, would jesus have thought being on that panel? >> he might have said, do you deny me, megan? i don't know. >> don't see him declining that's for sure. thank you for fascinating discussion. great to have you guys both with us. and the show may be over but

in another version of the same subjec painted just a few years later, van dyck portrays st. jerome in y a different manner. in a moment of deep religious fervor, the saint is about to strike his chest in penance ( o) this interesin psyogical intensity, human emotis, and cral momen wou mark v dyck'wo ughout h career. van dyck again looked to a work by rubens for inspiration. but once again, he interpreted the story in his own manner. van dyck chose to represent the moment just before the philistine clips samson's hair and robsim of his strength as delilah and the oer conspirators watch anxiously. the composition may have seemed too compressed to a later owner: a strip was added along the upper edge to enlarge the pictorial space, of thecene. in this exhibition, disverd that changes were often made to van dyck's works. another ofhe artt's early religious paintings, "moses and the brazen serpent," was also altered, as we can see by comparing the size and format of the painting to a contemporary copy. compositional changes were also made by the painter himself. these pentimenti