recently a gem of a chapel has been built in conjunction with the national shrine it is called a portuncula. it is the little portion. it is a replica, 80% to scale, the little chapel, st. francis rebuilt when jesus spoke to him from the cross and said francis rebuild my church that sits in assisi but now we have a reproduction of it here. we are delighted people make it part of what they visit when they go to north beach and it is a wonderful witness to the city and to the visitors especially, of the life that still comes to us spiritually from the example of st. francis. >> well, the shrine of st. francis here, and st. francis in italy have been the venue of interfaith activities, northern california, robust venue for faith. recently you went on a trip in the fall with the greek orthodox priest tell us about that. >> yes, the archbishop of the greek orthodox church here and i conducted a joint pilgrimage to rome to athens and is stan bull, which they might refer to as constantinople so that we could become aware of and appreciate each other's roots and be able to see the many ways in whic