the even try to do mitigate with posada carriles by telephone -- communicate with posada carriles byephone. this was enough for venezuela to charge him with 73 counts of first-degree murder. amy: we don't have much time, and i want to ask you, so that happened, 73 people dead. how did he end up dying a free man in miami this past wednesday? >> amy, venezuela -- well, he escaped from jail in panama where he was being held for trying to bomb and auditorium full of people. jail inr getting out of panama, receiving a pardon, he came to the united states to miami host of venezuela presented a request for extradition. the united states simply refused to extradite him. instead of charge to with violating immigration law, lying on immigration forms, for which it was ultimately equated, even though there were omissions by posada carriles that he had masterminded a string of bombings in havana that resulted in the murder of an italian businessman. and he lied about those on immigration forms. it even though there was of that, including a taped confession of posada carriles to correspondent," n