the witnesses included matthew pottinger and h. r mcmaster, both experts on china who served in the trump administration. when asked if he believes china will invade taiwan in the next 2 to 3 years, mcmaster warned of a dangerous period ahead. there's a time when he's election in 2024. is not going to be good. i think from the view of she jinping. the hearing came just hours after fbi director christopher rice spoke about china's role in the origin of the covid 19 pandemic, saying covid most likely originated from a potential lab incident, and ray accused beijing of interfering with the global investigation. the fbi has folks agents professionals, analysts virologists microbiologists, etcetera who focus specifically on the dangers of biological threats, which include things like novel viruses like covid. and the concerns that in the wrong hands some bad guys hostile nation state of terrorist or criminal the threats that those could pose. so here you're talking about potential leak. from a chinese government controlled lab that kill

pottinger, either of you want to take that?e compliance shops to make sure they are compliant with the law. i think that companies will follow the guidelines if they are painted brightly and that is the work of this committee incumbent upon the executive branch to have executive orders that make clear what the left and right limits are for what we can invest in. >> general mcmaster. >> with case studies and we are working at the institution on the case studies that will illuminate how the u.s. investments into private equity and venture capital investments have enabled the people's liberation army in some circumstances for example some several hundred million dollar investment in the company in 2014 that company now provides all the battlefield artificial intelligence for the people's liberation army and also how our investments have enabled the chinese to double down on state support for certain sectors that drive the industries out of business, wind turbines, solar panels, the list is vast. so i think that really shedding the

pottinger saying the u.s. was hoodwinked by china. companies, public companies, in this country, that they've dropped the ball in terms of standing their ground against china. i'm curious, what do you make of their warnings? and what are you going to do about it? >> well, this is certainly a really unique moment for us as federal lawmakers to set the tone. because you know that private industry is going to chase the dollar or open markets are being exploited. i certainly heard general mcmaster say, hey, we're going to have peace through strength. we want to have economic strength as well as national security strength. and we're certainly not negotiating from a place of strength when china is producing 85% of the electric vehicle batteries when we're leading automation with the bipartisan infrastructure bill passed along with the inflation reduction act. it's our manufacturers that i see every single day doing these things. but certainly, mr. pottinger, also, he shed light on a very specific lens of the conflict. and i think that that

. >> and we've talked on this program to matt pottinger who served in the trump administration who said intelligence needs to be a more robust part of the pandemic protection, and i know you agree with that. you know, there was a piece in "the new york times" by david wallace wells an opinion piece called "we've been talking about the lab leak theory all wrong" and the argument is that lean into the labor and look at how to prevent lab leaks. he's calling for things like a national registration on research based on risks and benefits, new safety standards, global governance to go with this as well. why doesn't that exist, and why suspect that being created? >> yeah. i think it should be. we're three years into this. there's recommendations on the president's desk and we need to start getting serious looking at what steps need to be put in place. we're still stuck on the debate about whether it was or wasn't a lab leak. i think we should work on assumption there's a prodbabiliy it was a lab leak and the protections with we need. the congressman made the point there wasn't a commercial pr

but i think matt pottinger last night identified the central concern.not just that tiktok and bite dance and by extension the ccp could use the app to exfiltrate data or track your location, it's that with control of the algorithm, they control what information americans get they could use that to then influence our elections and our sense of national identity and so we have to ask ourselves, do we want to give the ccp the commanding heights of the information space going forward? >> but cfius isn't approved that mission -- >> i know. >> it would see dozens of government personnel essentially policing the data agreement. meanwhile, china does not allow large u.s. tech platforms to operate on its mainland. so how does the reciprocity issue factor this here >> one, that's why i'm skeptical of the mitigation plan but two, i thought our witness pointed out the basic lack of reciprocity. and it extends beyond tiktok think about choina's communist party official presence on our social media platforms, which they exploit in order to spread propaganda well, the

hr mcmaster and also a former deputy national security adviser and expert on china matthew pottinger,gain trying to set the tone for the committee going forward. it is also worth noting that on tuesday the biden administration warning that any chinese firm or person that gives lethal aid to russia and its fight against ukraine will be targeted by underscoring this international rivalry. jessica dean, cnn, capitol hill. >>> and chinese surveillance tactics were brought up by the witnesses including the spy balloon which one witness said is a small part of beijing's espionage activities. >> i think the message is that we are intending to continue a broad range of surveillance activities. the balloon i think is in many ways a metaphor for the massive effort at espionage. >> it withes also talked about the growing concerns over wechat and tiktok.also talked about the growing concerns over wechat and tiktok. >> the bigger coup for the chinese communist party if tiktok is conpermitted to conti to operate in the united states is that it gives the communist party the ability to manipulate our

one of the witnesses who testified tuesday night was former deputy national adviser matthew pottingeras his testimony in laying out the threat posed by china? >> while, i think everyone knows the very serious threat posed by china, in terms of its military, growing military presence, its military buildup, the amount of money they're spending on developing their military. but also their actions all around the world in soft power, trying to develop through foreign assistance allies and friends throughout the world. certainly, there are huge technological issues that we have between china and united states. the biden administration has imposed restrictions on exports of high technology goods to china that could ultimately be used by the chinese military. so, these concerns are very clear. and really indicated bipartisan concern about the security threat posed by china. >> gary locke, thank you so much for joining us. appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> and still to come, after a controversial election, africa's largest democracy has a new president. we're going to have a live report from l

pottinger say.k it ends up being banned in the u.s. >> i think there's a reasonable chance that this legislation or something like it could pass as it is. we've seen 30 stateis. we've already seen 30 state governments ban tiktok from state-owned government devices we've seen similar measures taken by certain federal agencies i think there's a growing and bipartisan recognition that tiktok is an app that's ultimately subject to the control of the chinese communist party, in one form or another. and that's a risk that many policy makers are not willing to take >> you know, when it comes to the broader debate or competition between china and the u.s., things continue to devolve to the extent that at least separate where do you see the ending? what would be an appropriate structure in your mind in terms of our relationship with china, when it comes to all of these kinds of issues, whether it be espionage or just telecommunications and so many other things >> it's such a difficult issue and the reason is

pottinger. you are the most senior person this panel and would like maybe in the room would to maybe have talk about one or two highlights from your tenure leading the civil rights division. thank you very much. and you all for the invitation for me to appear here. it's great to see old friends as i came in the door while ago. joe rich is right behind me and he noticed that they asked me for my my i.d. . i deliberately decided to show them my original. it says number ten on it and the poor gentleman at the door said, i'm sorry, i can't accept this, mr.. turns out that my most recent driver's license is better than. that i guess. you know, i was thinking about something as i listened to judge henderson, and that is that of all the divisions in the justice department and with few exceptions of, any department in the united states government, the civil rights division is in on the streets. it's where the action is. now, i take nothing away from the division. that they have. they have to cope with c

listen to the questioning of matthew pottinger, one of the witnesses there. >> do you believe china hasen the appropriate steps to make a future lab leak less likely? >> i think the system that's in place in china does not permit for or prize serious safety. >> there you have it. i reported this morning that all senators actually are having access to those documents that outline new intelligence for the origins of covid. so they're able to view that as they wish. >> julie, thank you. >>> at least 36 people are dead and dozens more are hurt after a fiery head-on train collision in greece. this drone video shows the scope of the deaf station there. part of one train went right off the tracks. greek media reporting first responders worked through the night combing through the wreckage looking for survivors. matt bradley is following the developments for us today. do we know how this happened? and where do search and rescue efforts stand right now? >> we don't know how this happened but the prime minister of greece faulted human error that he said appeared to be the main cause of this. that

here is the chair again this time asking matthew pottinger is the former advisor under president trump he's asking about the social media app tiktok. >> a few issues have received as much bipartisan attention as tiktok. july bring on your concerns in terms of espionage, control over the algorithm as well as potential precedent and mitigation agreement could set when it comes to tiktok and other technology companies operating in the united states? >> mr. chairman thank you. certainly the data privacy issues which have gotten a lot of attention are a real problem for the privacy of of americans but also for our national security already the chinese parent company that controls tiktok is confirmed as having used the app to surveilled u.s. journalists in order to try to identify sources and to retaliate against their sources. that's just one small example of the universe of potential abuse but would be in the offhand. there's nothing in chinese law that suggests chinese communist party would back off of its legislative privilege to access all of the data produced by social media platforms

here is the chair again this time asking matthew pottinger is the former advisor under president trump he's asking about the social media app tiktok. >> a few issues have received as much bipartisan attention as tiktok. july bring on your concerns in terms of espionage, control over the algorithm as well as potential precedent and mitigation agreement could set when it comes to tiktok and other technology companies operating in the united states? >> mr. chairman thank you. certainly the data privacy issues which have gotten a lot of attention are a real problem for the privacy of of americans but also for our national security already the chinese parent company that controls tiktok is confirmed as having used the app to surveilled u.s. journalists in order to try to identify sources and to retaliate against their sources. that's just one small example of the universe of potential abuse but would be in the offhand. there's nothing in chinese law that suggests chinese communist party would back off of its legislative privilege to access all of the data produced by social media platforms

matt pottinger from the beginning, inside the trump white house, was telling trump, they're not cooperatingthings from us. they're lying to us. what did donald trump say? well, for those of you just waking up, let's take another look. this is what donald trump said. >> are you concerned china is covering up the coronavirus? >> no, china is working very hard, and i think they're doing a very professional job. >> there's just some talk in china that maybe the transparency isn't everything that it's going to be. do you trust that we're going to know everything we need to know from china? >> i do. i do. i have a great relationship with president xi. we're working very closely with china and other countries, and we think it is going to have a very good ending for us. we are coordinating with the chinese government and working closely together. we are working with them. you know, we just sent some of our best people over there. we're working with china, just so you know, and other countries very, very closely so it doesn't get out of hand. >> are there worries about a pandemic at this point? >> n

, happens to be pottinger, who happens to be scottish .ell us about you. is this a potential win for the tories and labour because sturgeon was a very effective campaigner . sturgeon was a very effective campaigner. she was a very effective . he has made it very effective. he has made it very clear. so in his winning speech that he's going to continue some of the more delusional snp policies, including fighting the uk government over the gender law , which seems complete law, which seems complete madness and 16 year old to change that gender that i'm talking to adopt. absolutely. and all 50 decided and also, of course , it will cost millions in course, it will cost millions in court when this comes to a court case. and the one thing the snp are very good at is spending money they don't have. the other thing he wants to do is go into europe, which seems utterly crazy because if they on the one hand want to be independent of westminster, then they want to go into europe where they have even less independence than they do now. it seems absolu

pottinger about the importance of supporting independent journalism. free asia to the united states agency for global media is providing services of independent journalism in the indo pacific region. the slave labor and stabilization of the people. the u.s. holocaust memorial museum has a list of tools for atrocity prevention that include naming and shaming and fact-finding. can you explain the role of the free press and preventing and exposing human rights abuses in china? >> thank you so much for the question and also for sharing your own personal experience. the role of radio free asia has been incredibly important and the role of the pacific press is essential to telling the story of the uyghur people. i want to highlight a few things. one, many of the journalists themselves are uyghur and telling the stories of their own communities. i can't even imagine the weight that sits on their shoulders that they do that at a great risk to their own personal families and also to broad communities. too often they are able to do so in the language that the ch

joining us now, matt pottinger, a hoover institution distinguished visiting fellow, former deputy nationalame everything from the angle of u.s. companies, matt, and i don't know, it all seems diametrically opposed to what our corporate interests are there. it would be nice to look the way on everything and keep selling a bunch of sneakers or starbucks can we no longer do that in good conscience >> it's a good question. it's great to be with you this morning. i think we should first credit china's supreme leader for doing what no one else could have done, which is to bring democrats and republicans to the in that consensus, bipartisan sort of chorus, the voices that you heard last night and they just showed a clip of congresswoman sherrill i heard a lot of warning signs last night coming from democrats and republicans. it sounds to me like they're exploring ways to start restricting outbound investment into chinese companies that are involved in human rights violations or that are helping china's military modernization >> it seems like we have a symbiotic relationship with china to some ext