let's talk about the war on povey. lyndon johnson said he would and poverty.is where the war began. and sure enough it dropped sharply the first five, seven years after that. to then it stopped improving. >> we teach people to be dependent. that was happening before the war. americans were lifting themselves out of poverty. government continue the progress for five years and then stopped it. >> we should have been more generous, done the other things that government can do to help folks. john: government does not teach a dependency. >> i am not here saying government is profit. government has some bad things, clumsy, bureaucratic. there are things it does really well. hey, private folks, step up. john: these graphs of the test. can we put these up. john: the recession, but it goes up steadily. two lines referred to one is the number of people collecting in the other is the cost. we are teaching people to be passive. >> i wilgrant you that is something we want to avoid. what is the solution from a look at the people and say we will take your food stamps a way?