he told me, i agree with judge p pozner.that the way the cases are handled leaves a lot to be desired. what has been your experience on the circuit court when it came to these cases and what is your opinion of judge pozner's observation in his 2005 case? >> there's been four years since judge pozner's comments, and they have to be placed somewhat in perspective. attorney general ashcroft, what you described as stream diagnosis lining procedures have been by i think all of the circuit courts that have addressed the issue affirmed and given chevron deference. so tquestion is not whether the streamline procedures are constitutional or not. but what happened when he instituted that procedure is that with all new things there were many imperfections. new approaches to things create new challenges. and there's no question that courts based with large numbers of immigration cases, as was the second circuit -- i think we had the second largest number of new cases that arrived at our doorstep, the ninth circuit being the first, and i