he would say, "fine," it was the director of the prado and i would be in the prado alone for an hourand a half in the middle of the night. >> needless to say, any society is a complicated society, and you could find also these type of -- but from my point of view what is not very well understood here is that these sorts of feelings are not the most important. that is not the things about ordinary russian really cares. russian cares about being protected. about having -- about not being blown up in his own home. not feeling in danger of this. he is not very much thinking about nation pride. >> charlie: it enhances mr. putin's prestige and esteem is support? >> yes. in a degree. but also from my point of view it's not very well understood here is that the essence of putin's support is not cherch noble, the essence of -- the putin's support is not -- chernobyl, the essence of putin's support -- russian public very much needed somebody who pursued it, that would deliver chewing gum, somebody who will be prepared to make tough solutions, to implement them, to be responsible for them, et c