classes, and you are competing with students who have had ap calculus, and you were just offered precalculuso you don't have the access. and then if you do make it, you're so isolated being the only one in your class, and part of the challenge is, to get into study groups, and why would i spend another four years in grad school, and it's no better. >> jarvis, vanessa, i'll get you in in one second. but you mentioned role models, and trisha says: christine: vanessa, i know when to chime in, and go for it. >> the notion of technology being a meritocracy. and it speaks for itself. we don't necessarily have to require that everyone have a ph.d in science to build something great in technology. and one of the things that i think we're missing across the industry is objective ways to measure what people are doing that don't rely on the proxies of 8 year degree programs. the truth is that mark zuckerberg dropped out of college, and i don't necessarily condone that for everyone, but the truth is that technology opens up maces for everyone without a formal education. >> we're going to hit a break, an