that's much more preferral. we're going to have so much more of a graying population that we need to use technology and get creative about that. we can have robots helping us. >> when people talk about computers and fabrics when people talk about computers literally in the materials that we're sitting on, chairs, on desks, in book, in paper with the idea of paper being computerized, is this science fiction, science fact. >> that's science fact. that's coming. so and this is owe we talked about 2015 and all the screens and stuff like that. looking further out with a lot of the work we're doing the size of the chips, the size of the computational power, when you get around the year 2020 approaches zero, it gets so small that it's almost in visible. it's still there but it gets so small that we could turn anything into a computer. we could turn this, we could turn that, we could turn our clothes into a computer, and it's coming. that's the idea. the question that i ask myself and my team is what is it like to live