just shy after presbyterian megachurch i'm sure somewhere out there. >> host: when did this prosperity gospel, well, first of all, is there a political philosophy with these churches? do they talk politics? >> guest: they do but it is a kind of a subset. you. different niches, you're the spiritual warfare guy, you're the prophecy lady, you're the politics do. we find john hagge, rod parsley, there will be a subset that overlap with the christian right. for the most part they don't need to talk nuts and bolts with politics because god ever offered them a end-run around systems that oppress them. they seed need to get serious about their faith and doors will open. >> host: when did this prosperity gospel and movement start? >> guest: postwar revivals of the 1950s. these pentacostal's intent revival alists. twice that show up in small towns, put up giant canvas cathedrals and attracts hundreds, sometimes thousands of people. in the postwar years these have traditionally been healers. someone like oral roberts would anointing in his right hand. these were usually people who people came to

megachurch. said that could include the united methodists, adorable as they are, the disciples of christ, which is shy of a presbyterian mega church i'm sure somewhere out there. >> we do this prosperity gospel -- first of all, is there a political philosophy to these churches? do they talk politics? >> they do but it's a subset. we can think of them as having different niches. you are the spiritual warfare guy. you are the prophecy lady. you're the politics duty. for this will find a john haiti, a subset that will overlap with the christian right. for the most part they don't need to talk nuts and bolts with politics because god has offered them an end run around the system that oppressed them. what they need to do is get serious about their faith and doors will open. >> went to this prosperity gospel start? >> i think the beginning of the message as the postwar revival in the 1950s. these are pentecostals, independence tense revivalist. these are the guys who show up in small towns, put a giant canvas cathedrals and attract hundreds and sometimes thousands of people. in the postwar year, these have traditionally been