we agree with presidenn obama on this, uncharacteristically. joining me now, authors of.ere. >> good to be here. >> lou: congratulations an the book. i want to start calling ronaler ailes the most powerful man in america. how close to true is it? >> this came up when roger went to the white house. the christmas party. he was in reception line. the they before, somebody else called him that in print. he got to the president and he said oh, the most powerful man in america. ronaler leaned in to him and said mr. president, don't believe that. i stirred that b.s. up myself. >> lou: he might well have done. >> probably did. >> but characteristic of roger to deflect. and be self-deprecating. i have had the privilege of working for a long time in this business. there is no more feared executive if television news, i'd say television, period. in the news media than roger ailes. fear and respected. give us a sense of the character that he reveals as you take on his biography. >> i spent close to a year with him. in meetings, travelling, and social situations. you know, i was just