. >> what presidentses, aside from johnson, have had positive influences in recent history on civil rights? >> gee. it's hard to say because none of them have had an overwhelmingly positive effect on civil rights. if you take away president johnson, there is not a president who has been way up here in my estimation. johnson is way up here but none of the others are. >> is there someone who is surprisingly good that we don't think about too often who did good things? >> no. >> no? >> no. there is none. >> let's talk about president obama then. you know, president obama walked across the edmond pettus bridge, a bridge named for a confederate general, an original member of the ku klux plan in alabama. tell me what that felt like? >> i watched it on t.v. like most people did and have walked across that bridge several times and hope to walk across it again. i was happy to see it i think it meant something positive that the black president of the united states has walked across this bridge. segregation was named after -- this bridge was named after a seg gregationist and a black president has wa