for example used the lucid dreaming techniques to do meditations and other types of exercises to presooefyou know, reality, the concept of life as perceive it is an illusion. >> perhaps somebody with a mental illness may try the lucid dreaming and dissort the lines between the dreams and reality? >> no evidence that lucid dreaming is inducing mental illness. >> not bringing it on. >> at of people are mental illness has difficulty sleeping any ways and they are likely to have the problems like that, and lucid dreaming at times. >> for a second, ryan, jarrod sat and killed people in arizona and that was the shooting where gabby giffords was injured and backing up, you exchanged with him before the shooting took place. >> yes, over a year before the shooting took place, jarrod had interests in lieu sid dreaming. i didn't know it was actually him. and i found my emails and found i emailed with me. he asked about the dreaming and the questions were very routine and didn't notice it until much later. >> it is interesting to watch, after the incident, as owe know it was widely reported that he w