will he get a fair shake from the press? >>> marco rubio rips "the new york times" for challenging his traffic tickets and personal finances. are these stories over the top? >>> plus why is cable news showing the video of that hot headed pool party cop over and over again. i'm howard kurtz. this is a special edition of "mediabuzz." >>> after joining the press pack i had a chance to talk to hillary's campaign manager. denying the former first lady would coast in the nomination and she would have to fight for iowa and new hampshire. let's not bury the lead. i asked when hillary clinton would start doing interviews and he said right away. there was a huge press turnout. 550 requests for press credentials. >> democracy can't be just for billionaires and corporations. i may not be the youngest candidate in this race but i will be the youngest woman president in the history of the united states. >> i think this is a confidence speech from hillary clinton and reflects the confidence of the campaign. >> for days the aides have been

>> the liberal press was and mainstream press was and some conservative press was not. i want to pause for a second and say to my conservative friends, an absolutely amazing column is on foxnews d.o.t..com and i urge everyone to read it. this is not a political football as much as it is for a lot of people including me a civil rights victory. to the extent that your earlier guests talked about the quotes after martin luther king's death or interracial marriage being legalized, this transcends transends politics and becomes a matter of -- >> you say it's a civil rights victory and i understand why you say that but it sounds like therefore it shouldn't be debated when still 40% of the country is opposed or supports traditional marriage. >> you can respect the views of those people and certainly i respect their views on it. i have to vehemently disagree and vehemently stand by the fact that you had people in the '60s on loving versus virginia was legalized who drastically opposed interracial marriage all i way i believe into the '90s just because you have a substantial min

room during a press conference. believe me i have been there through a lot of serious threats. >> more breaking news coming in right now. senior security source at the capitol say they believe the same individual who called in the threat on dereksen building that they believe the same person who called in that threat a bit ago also phoneed in the threat to the white house. what do you make of that? >> interesting. that's interesting. if this is -- we get phone threats at the white house like a pizza place gets deliveries. it's outrageous how many threats come in. i don't mean to be silly but they come in all the time. if these aren't from verified threats or numbers they're checked, things like that from people who would be -- a verified source of a legitimate physical threat to bodily harm that's not the kind of thing you would evacuate. so that says to me that this person who called in this threat either is known to these agencies -- >> okay. dan, stand by right now. i want to bring in ed henry who joins me. are y

the press. this is live coverage on "american history tv," on c-span3. >> [indistinct chatter] >> ok, can we get seated, please? all right. we are going to wrap up our morning talks. with harold. harold is a familiar face to the audience this year at cwi. he has been a longtime contributor and he is a leading expert on the presidency of abraham lincoln. he has authored, edited, and co-authored more than 50 titles related to the civil war. is that correct? 50. i said that. he is right that 50 right now. he is terrific, as you all know. there will be a real spike in his production because in july he is retiring from his daytime job, which is at the metropolitan museum of art. now you have all this free time to be able to devote to scholarly endeavors. as you all know, his books are wildly popular. his most recent book "lincoln and the power of the press," it is the most recent recipient of the lincoln prize. so, i am very pleased to introduce harold. 2[applause] [applause] >> thank you, peter. wow

asks the russian president about press freedoms. so i knew that one question was going to be about the neato thing and i said of course our press corps is likely to ask a question about press freedom and then i swallowed. 43 says he's got that? and vladimir putin says why would i talk about press freedom in russia when you just fired a and i said what are you talking about? this was in the back room he said he fired at a newsstand and he says are you talking about dan rather? laughter cow and he says that's not how it works. private company, private decision. i had nothing to do with that and i'm telling you as your friend do not go there and see that you will embarrass yourself. he says nothing and the press corps asked the question and sure enough the vladimir putin said this whole nonsense about dan rather. i remember watching the reporters trying not to laugh. [laughter] >> we were laughing at the un. >> tell us about another moment with china which i know was a little point overseas when you were in iraq and there is a press co

she wants press covering her. the whole goal for politicians is to have the press covering them. one thing is who will go in there and represent us. now campaign first they came out and them you're foreign press. and you said there's lots of foreign press and they've acted as pool before. >> that's true. the guardian afp, the french news agency. to say nothing of th several other organizations are majority or partly owned by foreign interests. that's a red herring argument. i think the real reason is between dinner time when they e-mailed me a confirmation saying you're the report he and midnight when they changed their mind they looked at the reporting and the daily mail is a dogged thorough reporting organization. and we don't tend to show up and do what we're told. we find stories our audience wants to read. >> explain the one about iowa in particular. that led to a lot of press coverage for her. >> sure. the very first else of any kind of press coverage was in leclaire iowa, it was a breakfast meet and greet in a coffee shop. the campaign spun it as this is spontaneous. she s

>> looking at the white house press briefing room where minutes ago white house press secretary joshted the briefing in progress and told reporters that the secret service was asking them to evacuate the briefing room and now that briefing room has been evacuated. the secret service uniform division officers are moving about the briefing room now. we can see the live feed of what's going on in that room. no indication exactly just yet as to why this briefing room has been evacuated. as of now, very unusual to evacuate during the middle of a briefing depending on what kind of situation is going on though. that could be a necessary precaution. this comes just about an hour or so after we saw a similar evacuation up on capitol hill as there was a bomb threat called into the senate dirkson office building, that building partially evacuated and saw a bomb squad moving true some senate hearing rooms on capitol hill checking under chairs and desks and moving through methodically methodically. no indication if those two incidents are related to each other and right now we're monitoring the s

he was charismatic, he was newsworthy, he talked to the press, he drank with the press. it didn't get -- i mean -- things got a little different. except to say he was a terrible commander. hooker, of course, immediately worried that he had been to o chumming with the press. an interesting report i found that hooker went awol after chancellorsville and snuck into washington for one of his infamous evenings of revelry whether the word hooker was actually created after general hooker, no one is sure. but he was in washington reportedly without permission of the war department and he wrote a letter to lincoln saying don't believe what you read in the press about me. he is perfectly happy to have lincoln believe how terrific he was, but not now. hooker rights to lincoln, don't believe anymore than what you choose of what is in the associated press dispatches concerning me tomorrow. this is june 26, 1823. think how close it is to what happened here a week later. lincoln replied the next day, in a wonderful letter, he says, don't think about the negative reports. i heard about

press? was there any sort of fear of their criticism of him early on? mr. holzer: i think he did follow the abolitionist press to some degree. no one knows whether he read frederick douglass' paper. if abraham lincoln had been caught reading an african-american paper would have been akin to a modern politician reading pornography and getting caught. [laughter] i'm not sure he read frederick douglass' papers. he talks about how right makes might. lincoln later repeats that. i know he read garrison to some degree because he jokes with garrison when he finally meets him about his publication and about the terrorism that had been leveled against his paper when he opened it. we know he read the new york independent, the weekly newspaper that was considered an abolitionist paper. you don't talk about what is considered the extremist press because to talk about it in the mainstream world was to give it a position in mainstream politics that was not acceptable. it's a calm located issue. -- it's a c

free press worldwide. for more information on the club, visit our website press.org, and to donate to the institute, visit press .org/institute. cardinal donald world -- whirl will discuss pope francis' encyclical. our journalism institute will hold sessions on cyber security. barry trots will address a national press club luncheon. i would now like to present mr. sinise with our national press club mug. [applause] those are very special, valuable gifts and you now have four i believe. you are working on the set. in the timer meaning, i wanted to ask you. you mentioned that you can use your celebrity status to promote these causes. you keep working on that end of your career as well and you've got a new series upcoming. could you tell us about this new tv series you are beginning? gary: oh yeah, "-- oh yeah, the job. csi new york went off the air in february of 2013. since then, i have been pouring all my energy into the military support and veterans report foundation. traveling around the country and the

we'll wait to get more guidance on where the white house press corps is being headed.e meantime let's tie all of this together. these are pictures inside the briefing room. we have an eye on that. but joe johns, can i bring you in? joe johns, to tie these incidents together we know that the briefing room has been cleared. we know that the north lawn of the white house has been cleared. and we're looking at pictures from this tsa hearing earlier today. what happened there? >> well that was a much more run-of-the-mill situation that you see on capitol hill all of the time except that it took longer to clear it than you would have expected. it was a suspicious package report which is what you get pretty regularly at the capitol complex. it was on the third floor of the dirkson building an officer building that houses among other things the homeland security committee. the homeland security committee was having a hearing on tsa and its issues. so this report comes in that there was a suspicious package. somewhere around 3:40 right across the hall from where the hearing was

was the lower press room evacuated? >> considered part of the press area.erates so the staff that works there came into my office while the room was swept. >> any staff outside of this room adjacent room evacuated? any senior staff or staff within the white house evacuated? >> it is not -- it is my understanding that no one else was affected. >> is it concerning that the evacuation -- >> one at a time. >> the call came in at 1:53 p.m. and the evacuation took place at 2:14. more than 20 minutes passed in that room. any reason for concern of the delay before the evacuation took place? >> no. this is a decision that's made by secret service based on information they had received. i don't know how long it was -- it took for that information to be transferred, transmitted to the secret service and the decision made to evacuate the room. the evacuation was conducted to protect the safety of all of us. >> what was the president doing, what was he physically doing? >> i'm not sure what he was doing. he was here at the white house you by'm not sure where he was. >>

not in the associated press, not the united press.w a few cases that journalists that have lead to depression. what we saw in vietnam, the brutality, and the movement we had to go around to be in villages were overwhelming. to some degree, the fact that we could write about them or photograph them was sort of a justified way of being there. but it was only in the later years like in the 80's, that cnn and abc started -- bbc started considering the mental health of journalists they were sending into the middle east and elsewhere. so, to that degree, i think it took a long time for the news management to look at us as some kind of superman and women whereas the soldiers of the veteran administration were administrating to their needs justifiably. the other part, vietnam gave earth to a new generation of journalists. bob schieffer here, david kennelly, and so many others here that i can't see. a new generation of journalists, and a new attitude about the belief in open society and the value of actually risking your life to find the truth

it's "meet the press." >> announcer: from nbc news in washington, this the "meet the press" with chuck todd. >>> good morning. it is dynasty weekend. they came from the two most powerful political families in american politics today. but neither jeb bush nor hillary clinton wants to be defined by their last names, and this morning both campaigns are hard at work jeb bush back from europe is in miami preparing for his anointment tomorrow and his campaign has released a little teaser today. it's a video that also happens to unveil the name of the campaign and logo and look what's missing, one key word bush. hillary clinton woke up in iowa this morning, and for those who wondered if she will start taking questions from the media well we've learned that she will. it will be local tv interviews all this week throughout the early states. yesterday though in her big speech in new york she made clear that she wants to tell the story of her life and achievements rather than be defined by her previous campaigns or by her husband's legacy. >> america can't succeed unless you succeed. that is why

the beltway press is sometimes less slightly awesome than the press at large. today some people said that the shining star example of the epitome of what is wrong with the beltway press was this. the lead supposedly political reporter for bloomberg politics mark hall perrin announcing this week he is coleading a pilates press with mitt romney wife with wealthy donors that are tending a -- who are attending a sum at one of their houses in utah. i don't know anything about pilates and if one of the poses is helding their -- holding their feet to the fire. does pilates have poses. some said this is the sign of the apocalypse. this news of the hard-hitting political recorder -- reporter in pilates is what is wrong with the press these days. but would you like to suggest this as a contender. after jeb bush goes to poland to meet the guy who just resigned the day before for talking lurid swearing smack about the united states and how worthless and worse than worthless the united states is jeb bush goes and meets with that guy the day after he has to offered to for sa

dealing with press folks.think it -- if they're inpowered, it really depend particularly in the white house at how the top staff, senior advisors, the communications director, the press secretary depending on who it is decides to empower people who are on their staff. and there's instances where those folks are given a tremendous amount of leeway to share information, they're in the meetings, they understand what's going on and it's worth talking to them. there is times when it's notworth talking to them at l. they know nothing. they do, they're not going to tell you because they're afraid of their own shadow. they're not empowered and they're not useful in that sense. and the same goes for the ilhill, there are some press folks -- i'll give you an example of the white house ben rhodes his official title is strategic something communications director for the nsc. that belies the fact he's probably the closest foreign policy advisor and longest standing foreign policy advisor the president has. if there's somet

room during a press briefing.rs the proximity of the press briefing room circled in red and the ovl office at the bottom of the screen in yellow. first, mike let me show you what happened. a very brief clip of the few seconds of the chaos when they first got word they had to evacuate. watch this. >> we need to evacuate the press room. we'll come back. >> so there you see josh in the middle of a press briefing and everybody had to clear out. why didn't the president have to evacuate from the oval office? >> depends on what the location of the bomb threat was and so apparently the secret service agents made an immediate assessment. they didn't feel at that time the president was in danger from that area. >> help us understand that. we just saw the map. if it was called into the press briefing room the oval office is a hop, skip and jump from there. >> it's not as close as you think. the map is misleading. if you have been inside the white house, the press room is not located close enough you know to have a blast ran

time now for the press review. we have nicholas rushworth with us on the set to talk us through the press. you are starting with a possible shift in russia ties with syria. nick: let's go to the saudi-banked london-based an era paper, which has the story -- "moscow changing tack in its relationship with bashar al-assad." the argument is that the syrian opposition is saying that russian military supplies have not been delivered to syria for the last three months. russia, it has reported, has transferred dozens of its officials back to moscow, away from syria. so that adds up to a major u-turn, doesn't it, if that were to be the case. the argument is that perhaps moscow and vladimir putin are trying to refocus toward the gulf states in economic ties with gulf states. the quote in that piece is "clear signs are emerging of a dramatic u-turn with moscow even beginning to consider a future without bashar al-assad in syria." genie: that report has been rejected by "the jerusalem post." >> yes, pretty much the opposite he

my advice if i were her people start talking to the press.'re not named hillary clinton it is pretty hard to get coverage on the democratic side isn't it, judy. >> virtually impossible. i agree with ellen the press decided already inned a vans of a referendum on any part of the american people who is serious candidate and who is not. if you're rick perry, for example, you're a very serious candidate who is the was longest serving governor of texas a major state executive experience, one of only two candidates with military experience he got less than 15 minutes, 15 seconds of airtime. this is ridiculous. we are not supposed to be advising candidates and we're not supposed to be judging them. we're supposed to let the american people do that. >> what is interesting about him -- jon: let me interrupt, 15 seconds of airtime for instance on abc news world tonight. the other major networks similar numbers. >> similar numbers. even printed press did not give him very much time and attention. this is very serious candidate and i don't understand how

for a free press worldwide. for more information on the club visit our website at press.org come and to donate to our nonprofit journalism institute visit press.org/institute. i would remind you about some upcoming programs. on thursday archbishop joseph kurz, president of the u.s. conference of catholic bishops come and cardinal donald, archbishop of washington will discuss pope francis encyclical on the environment. on june 20 for the next two saturdays after that, our journalism institute will hold a series of training sessions on cybersecurity. and on july 8, washington capitals coach will address the national press club luncheon. i would now like to present gary sinise with our traditional national press club mug. [applause] >> wow thanks. spent those of course are very special, valuable gifts, edging out before i believe. so you're working on the set. in the time remaining, i wanted to ask you, you know, you mentioned about you can use your celebrity status to promote these causes. and, of course, you keep

> local press.edia to carve up all the pieces of the speech. this was a made for tv moment for the campaign. they had to get it out of the way? >> it was absolutely a made for tv moment of the campaign. if she becomes president of the united states the highlight video will start with this speech of the beautiful island with matnhattan and the u.n. in the gabbingbackground. she she never lives up to the staging and setting of her speeches. i don't think that's a bad thing this time around. people talked about how this wasn't as soaring rhetorically as the barack obama speech in 2008. a lot of americans and democrats were disappointed by what they saw as failed promises of obama particularly related to this soaring rhetoric about a new way of doing things in washington about a new movement. and so it may be that kind of under-performing on the charisma level is not the worst thing for her. >> thanks to both of you for being here. >>> local press interviews coming up. maybe softer appearances. maybe sh

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i think the pool for our audience is the creation of the press by the press. that's designed to save money and cover smaller events. that's why it exists. is this evidence the clinton team is trying to control who gets access or who does not or is this just one case. >> absolutely this is evidence of control. hillary clinton wasn't taking questions from the press for the longest time. now she is trying to tightly control the movements of the press that covers the events. some of them are in small venues, they will designate a single report to cost event and send the account to all the members of the pool. this is something where the clinton organization -- what they did yesterday is not inconsistent with what they have been dwoght press lately. at her rollout at roosevelt park saturday the press was department in a tight control. when you looked at her 18-minute press conference. a press aid called on reporters from a list. the press was behind barriers. there is a lot of control going none this kin on campaign. bill: have any of those pieces been inaccurate?

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welcome to sunday, it's "meet the press." >> announcer: this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >>d morning. perhaps it was a bit of hyperbole but one writer we aide admire said this would be the week they would write books about. as the president sang "amazing grace" and buried the confederate flag. as americans came to look at three issues in a different way in rapid order. the confederate flag came to be seen by most, not just some, as a reminder of hate, not just heritage. health care reform seen now as a right not a privilege. and same-sex marriage became law of the land. it was also a week that cemented president obama's legacy. here he is, celebrating the supreme court's health care decision with his chief of staff, dennis mcdonagh. friday night the white house was bathed in rainbow colors in honor of the marriage ruling, capping the most sweeping period of social transformation since the 1960s. >> reporter: there is a right to marriage equality, we have it. >> reporter: there is a right to marriage equality. >> usa! usa! >> the progressive victories were led not from the to

shebd she should talk to the press. now it is showing up in the polls. are we so addicted to polls we can't seed the evidence in front of our own eyes until a public opinion survey validates it? >> i think that is part of it. what are we to do? we're pundits and reporters in washington. we need a poll. i wish she would respond for the sake of transparency and running for government you want to trust these people and hear from them. politically, i don't think i would advise her to respond often, because when we saw her at the u.n. respond, it was not effective. that's one of the issues they're dealing with. they have left a vacuum and when the poll numbers come in guess what there is to cover, despite valiant reporters like ann out there trying to cover her, there's not much out there. you cover the poll numbers and it cascades. >> i think that news conch was not effective because she hadn't answered questions on the e-mail business for eight days. she talks to the press routinely each particular confrontation or engagement might not be a big story. talk

ladies and gentlemen, please join me and giving a more national press club welcome to mr. gary sinise. thank you. >> thank you. thank you very much. it's good to be back. i do want to say something. last time i was here, there was a big sort of wooden medallion here on the back and about halfway through my speech, it fell down. so i'm glad it's not here. it's a great honor for me to return. since having first at the opportunity it in 2007 which after 16 years was finally dedicated and open to the public on october 5 i guess i have not burn any bridges at the press club yet. they keep asking me that. thank you. i would like to speak a little today about how far the gary sinise foundation has come in those four years with the work the foundation is doing and what the future looks like as we continue to grow. and i would like to emphasize how important it is to have nonprofits in the military support space as our military servicemen and women continue as our men and women continue to confront the dark forces in this world with long and very tough deployments. but first one of

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watch what you say or pay the press. european games is one of a number of sporting events that azerbaijan is using to show case itself to the world. for the government there could be a lesson. when you invite the world to tune in and watch. it's not possible to go the way you see. >>> on the download this week our viewers on the games in azerbaijan, and the challenges of reporting from there >> the rehabilitation from the government to the coverage of the european games has been quite interesting. they have come up with a very interesting concept, saying that all of the negative coverage is part of the azerbaijan campaign directed from the u.s. and more recently germany. so they blamed everything on outlet and journalist for double standards. >> this is the main future of the profession and professionals. some western media organizations exclude the games. then they don't embrace issues. we all know that they must be at least three positions in right of reply. it's important to see them in their articles. >>> other media

welcome to sunday, it's "meet the press." >>> good morning. perhaps it was a bit of a hyperbole, but one writer said this is a week that historians will write books about. the president sang amazing grass as they buries the confederate battle flag. as americans came to look at three issues in a very different way in rapid order. the confederate flag aimed to be seen by most if not some as a reminder of hate. health care workers, and same sex marriage becoming the law of the land. president obama is celebrating the supreme courts health care decision with his chief of staff. friday night the white house was bathed in rainbow colors capping the most sweeping social transformation. >> there is a right to marriage equality. >> the progressive victories were led not from the top down but by a new generation of grass roots activists pressing their political leaders to keep up with the change. >> sometimes there are days like this when a slow steady effort is rewarded with justice. >> just 30 years ago, the supreme court said that gay people could be

it's "meet the press." >>> from nbc news in washington this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >>> good morning. this is the scene outside the emanuel african methodist episcopal church in charleston south carolina this morning where the congregation is gathering for the fis selves since first service since a gunman murdered nine people there. the victims, reverend clementa pinckney, shah rhonda singleton, tywanza sanders with be ethyl lance, reverend daniel simmons sr., depain middleton-doctor sue si jackson and cynthia hurd. it brings back other memories notorious incidents. of course those killing of thee civil rights activists in june in 1964 in mississippi. but in charleston the process of healing has already begun. that was shown when family members of the victims showed such remarkable dignity at a hearing for the killer, dylann storm roof on friday. we'll hear from the family of one of wednesday's victims in a moment. but first my colleague ron allen is outside mother emanuel this morning. ron, tell me about the scene out there on what looks like a very nice sunny sunday mo

in turkey the press is free in all areas, as far as we are concerned. unless there's defamation exceeding the limits of criticism. turkey is an open society, and there's newspapers with different orientations. it's not a place where someone is prosecuted for criticizing the president. if there are nose going beyond criticism and engage in defamation, he can bring a case against them >>> the government has other ways. in 2009, when the owners dowan holdings fell out with recep tayyip erdogan, they were hit with a billion fine for back taxes. these days the government's big fight is with media groups associated with the islamic cleric whose religious and social movement runs schools in turkey and elsewhere. like dolan, the ghoolan movement backed recep tayyip erdogan. and helped to get the ak party elected, before they fell out and media outlets were crit equal. the government calls ghoolanists a parallel state. news rooms affiliated with them were arrested. >> translation: the organization is linked to broadcast, newspaper and television. and they openly

of course, welcome back to "meet the press." congress, my condolences. >> thank you very much for having me. thank you very much. >> these folks were constituents and personal friends. tell me about your friendships. >> first off, thank you so much for having me. speaking with his family, he and i are the last age. last time i did a morning service at emanuel, i think he was a pastor there at the time. i've gotten to know his family very very well his in-laws, constituents. pinckney this guy was absolutely the salt of the earth. i first met him whefsn he was a student here at allen university in columbia. and, of course, his hometown, home church, all in my district. emanuel is just one block out of my congressional district. malcolm graham has been on various shows this morning, his sister cynthia was one of my daughter's best friends. she was a librarian, like my wife. there's so much interwolfeven in here. middleton, he called himself my ame campaign manager. i know these people personally. >> congressman you're from a genera

briefing of the press corps. >> it's extremely uncommon jake. the reason being. all the glory, you see the secret service getting in the movie, it's not just a security operation, they're also very cognizant of the optics. it doesn't look good to evacuate the pressroom especially in the middle of a press conference. not that that would override a significant security decision. i can tell you from experience that to get to that decision to evacuate the pressroom in the middle of a live press conference probably involved someone at the upper executive level of the secret service, which said to me it was a very serious and credible threat. >> can you think of any reason why that evacuation would take place? but the white house staffers and the president mere yards away from the white house press briefing room would not be evacuated? >> well i can tell you with regard to the staff that that part of it is not uncommon. i've been to a number of situations in the white house, and out of town with the president, where we get a kredible threat maybe not

there was a decision to like their names to the press and there was another decision made by a press -- by a media group to actually print their names. so the question is had they not been so christian and the show being so christian-based, would those two decisions have been made the same way? i'm not sure. >> it's just another team sport. >> all right. i'm going to bring in dana and juan in a moment but critics have been saying a lot about the duggars over the past few weeks. people question whether the family is real or if they've been acting. >> if people see this on tv and were we feak all of the time? no. they are seeing our family went through this and our family was broken and humbled by all this. >> we haven't been fake. people say, we love your show we're like thank you, but it's not a show. it's really our life. and we are just a family honestly living life purposing by god. just do the next right thing and back 12 years ago, we did the best that we knew how at that point and we've learned from things then. and i think by god grace we're going to continue to learn and help

that's why governor pataki actually did more new hampshire press this past week than national press. we're all focused here in washington but it's really in those early states that it counts. >> here's the conundrum if you're running a campaign you need to get attention. you can get attention by setting your hair on fire but american people don't want a president who sets their hair on fire. >> we all thought in the press that hillary clinton was the inevitable candidate, the winner in 2008. that was -- we were wrong. >> and we barely covered rick santorum until the last couple of weeks in iowa when he started to catch fire and ended up avoiding that primary by eight votes. here's the thing. so bernie sanders -- i'm not going to sit here and predict that bernie sanders will lin the democratic nomination, but he's really getting talked about on msnbc, he's barely been mentioned on fox. he seems to be leading a little bit of a movement. could the pundits be underestimateing at least his impact? >> i think so. hillary clinton is already pivoting to the left, in part because elizabeth is