the press 38%. hold on, i'm not done. >> they hate us spirit don't dismiss -- my point, at the election then is anything changt because donald trump is so unpopular? do people swing, other changing thoughts about donald trump? gallup poll came out last week, persons of adults with no confidence in, 4%, military 5%. k-12 principles 7%, business leaders 14 14% elected official9 pacific news media 21%. then finally gallup poll also last week, city 4% say the press favor democrats, 20% say they favor republicans. but the press tends to often to dismiss the come to go beyond it to just acknowledge it. i think they've heard it for so long but then they don't care. they don't change. this is the fundamental problem with the press and it's why donald trump doesn't strike a chord when he takes the press on. he does it in a way that is sometimes over-the-top and can be offensive but it also resonates with a lot of people who are tired of it and think the press should change. my only advice to reporters, a gro

conservative press. a great example is npr and cnn have taken over the more liberal press in the public's mind, even though they tried to fight that perception most of the time and then fox has cheerfully embraced the conservative role and today fox has shifted toward the middle of a obit and there are other organizations that have stepped in to the farther right, they are self identifying and i do think we are at a point in history where strangely enough, we are having a self identifying part of the press. as hard as the new york times and washington post try to hang in the middle, they are being identified as part of a liberal problem by our conservative administration, among other things so the choices are being made by our politicians, they are being made by individuals, these systems. there are being made by what shows up in your feed like what to follow so individuals are identifying what they see as politically conservative, politically liberal. i think journalism is still working well and it's st

the press.hen the press conference the government, that means the system is working. >> when you don't acknowledge at fundamental role that the press plays and protect it -- that is the role of the press secretary, to protect the role against those that are fuming at whatever has been reported. if you don't protect that relationship, we are losing something fundamental to our democracy. ♪ think one of the things this past election has taught us, journalists, if they follow the stories and facts, and don't worry about all the other stuff, i think that journalism will be resurgent. that is a good thing for all of us. >> any president thinks that they want the american people to hear the truth about what a great job they are doing. in theory the press wants to report accurately about what the president is up to. in theory both sides are aligned in this adversarial relationship. but we know how things get off track. >> they would like to talk to you. >> i answer their questions just about every nigh

in the book we talk about what is the liberal press, what is the conservative press. great example, npr and cnn have kind of taken over the more liberal in the public's mind even though they are diverse most of the time. fox has embraced the conservative role and today they have shifted toward the middle and there are other organizations that have stepped in to the further right. they are self-identifying among other things. i think we are at a point in history where strangely enough we are having a self-identified partisan press. as hard as "the new york times" and washington post are trying to hang in the middle they are being identified as part of the liberal problem by our conservative administration among other things. so the choices are being made by our politicians, by individuals based on the police system, they are being made by what chose up in your feed and what you chose to follow. individualing -- individuals are identifying what they see as politically conservative and liberal. i think journalism is working best in the small cities in the flyover states

press back to what is a person press. in the introduction we talk about there is a far left press. there is a conservative right press. there is a huge flaw in the middle of people who are not being reached by any of those things. and that is where the problem is. people who are drawn to political ideologies tend to gravitate towards those particular outlets but you have a whole bunch of people were in the middle who need something from both sides not something from either. it tends to shift it very heavily. and so you end up with at this point in time we have a nation that people can tune into things they already believe things that interest them things i have already interested them rather than things they need to already here. is it nature of the partisan press. to the 1880s. if they've got a partisan press and you can sell to advertisers on this site. but if you have an objective press the goal was to make more money. when they believe in that. it's impossible to be objectives. they had been replaced by advocacy journ

the press on. he does it in a way that is sometimes over the top and can be offensive but also resonates with a lot of people who are tired of it and think the press should change. my only advice to reporters, a group i do enjoy working with and i believe in because it's important for the country to have a strong independent press is you have to take seriously when you're at a historic all-time low people don't have confidence that you report fairly and accurately. stop focusing on process, stop pitting one camp against another, focus on substance and stop telling the american people what it is they should think or follow. just tell them the facts and leave the judgments up to the people. [applause] -- intreeg here's -- has -- it has a role in coverage i think. it should be covered to some degree because it tells you a lot about how a white house is operating and that is relevant for the american people to know and it tells you what kind of leadership style the president is employing. i think that

the press.hen the press conference the government, that means the system is working. >> when you don't acknowledge at fundamental role that the press plays and protect it -- that is the role of the press secretary, to protect the role against those that are fuming at whatever has been reported. if you don't protect that relationship, we are losing something fundamental to our democracy. ♪ >> i think one of the things this past election has taught us, journalists, if they follow the stories and facts, and don't worry about all the other stuff, i think that journalism will be resurgent. that is a good thing for all of us. >> any president thinks that they want the american people to hear the truth about what a great job they are doing. in theory the press wants to report accurately about what the president is up to. in theory both sides are aligned in this adversarial relationship. but we know how things get off track. >> they would like to talk to you. >> i answer their questions just about every

or at issue is aired out in the press does not make it a press problem. usually it is just a problem or you read about it in the press. they would give me a look and say, i do not know, it is like a egg communications problem -- big communications problem, or ebola, people are worried about ebola that is showing up in the press. they understood the difference between you could, what was just a problem that needs to be managed, and they were communication problems. >> in the early days of the hillary clinton 2016 presidential campaign in your effort to broker a recent between secretary clinton and the press, which partner, which half of that was less cooperative? jen: a deep sigh. something coming out of campaign.n hillary clinton is someone who understands the press and politics and is a good strategist and understands that all much better than people give her credit for or understand and thought that there possibility for the press relationships to be different. i think that if you talk to the press that covered the campaign, partwould say we did our to

if there is something last-minute or the need the press or in many cases, the press pool to come in and see some become a are right there. being at the white house shows the transparency that is protected by the constitution, by the first amendment. coming to the kits of the white house every day to shed light on what the administration is doing are all things protected by the first amendment and the best way to be able to fulfill those responsibilities is to be so close to where the president is. >> the tensions between the president -- and the presidency not new, dates back to george washington. is very different but this president? >> you are right to say there has been tension between the press and presidency for longer than that. that's an inherent part of the relationship. it is hard for me to compare this to other administrations were i was not myself a correspondent but i would say tension has been high. that is part -- partially driven by the fact that president trump has excited smith's tweets and public remarks, critical things about the media. it is our job to continue doing

the press briefing is about to get started. >> press secretary spicer: i'm sure you will know i was upere this morning off camera with some your kids. it was a pleasure to share a little above of the white house experience with them and i hope they enjoyed it. some of you have trained them very well. i hope they enjoy their visit and i'm glad they got an opportunity to sit with the president and vice president today. we have a bunch to talk about about what the president has been doing. we're going to try to get through it all. this morning, the president welcome the president and his wife of argentina for a visit. the president and first lady of argentina just left, so we'll have a read out for you very shortly on that. at 2:00 p.m., the president will be signing another document so we'll try to keep this on time. i want to reiterate that the american industry is in trouble, having declined to the lowest level of aluminum that we produced since 1952. it is critical for our national defense. the air force jet and navy warships are producing less aluminum than before. especially in thes

there were certainly some battles that i did not expect to find, like the press moved out of the press room that was floated at the beginning, but we had a discussion about that, and we are still there, and the pool is flying on air force one, and that is all good things. west wing andthe the white house, why is it so important to be in that location? >> it is important to be there just to be present when things happen at the white house. we are right there. if the president has a meeting with a foreign leader, we are right there. if there is something last minute where they need the press, and the press pool sees something, we are right there. being at the white house shows the transparency that is detected by the constitution, by the first amendment, i coming through the gates of the white house to shed light on what the administration is doing. protectedall things by the first amendment, and to be able to fulfill those responsibilities, the best way is to be in that press room, so close to where the president is doing his work. host: as you know, this situation between the press and

for example the idea of the press moving out of the press room was floated at the beginning of the trump administration. we had a discussion and we are still there. >> let me ask you about the briefings and the debriefing room. between the midway west wing and the white house itself. why is it so important to be in that location? mr. mason: it is critical just to be present for when things happen here at the white house, when the president decides to speak to the press. if the president has a meeting with a foreign leader, we are there. if there is something last-minute, where they need the press to come and see something, we are right there. being at the white house shows the transparency that is protected by the constitution, by the first amendment. coming through the gates of the white house everyday to report on the administration, to shed light on the administration, are all things that are protected by the first amendment, and the best way to fulfill those responsibilities is to be in the press room. >> tensions between the press and the president, not new. is it any different with

press corps. there were certainly some battles that i did not expect to find, like the press moved out of the press room that was floated at the beginning, but we had a discussion about that, and we are still there, and the pool is flying on air force one, and that is all good things. host: between the west wing and the white house, why is it so important to be in that location? >> it is important to be there just to be present when things happen at the white house. we are right there. if the president has a meeting with a foreign leader, we are right there. if there is something last minute where they need the press, and the press pool sees something, we are right there. being at the white house shows the transparency that is detected by the constitution, by the first amendment, i coming through the gates of the white house to shed light on what the administration is doing. these are all things protected by the first amendment, and to be able to fulfill those responsibilities, the best way is to

we are awaiting the daily white house press briefing. sean spicer. to the microphone and surely there will be questions about the use of that bomb in afghanistan. here's the thing, what it looks like, 24,000-pound conventional bomb dropped after the death of a green beret fighting isis in afghanistan. kevin corke is live at the white house. what more do we know? >> right now, we are awaiting the press briefing as you point out and certainly the white house will be asked very quickly about the gbu-43. you mentioned 24,000 pounds, it massive, some have called it the mla b, the mother of all bombs, dropping it in eastern afghanistan, we expect to hear about that very quickly, probably right off the top. i think the other question that will probably be asked in his press briefing is just who is president donald trump? what i mean by that is when you look at some of the changes in position from the campaign to the president, it doesn't make you wonder, is it the same man who said nato was absolute and now isn't? is at the same in his had relations with ru

i'd saw him outside the press and his press person as if i wanted to go back mr. mark i said i would go back with the condition that i am allowed to talk. we spoke for almost 10 minutes. he said it will and i said thank you very much. [laughter] >> is there a sense in which he got the nomination by gaming the business model of the news media. selling dependent on iphones to advertisers and he was reliably entertaining, get this.he does cause i think that is what his strategy was. said i will watch it. --t is a good question >> there were 16 republicans who did not learn from this. >> what are they going to do? [indiscernible] going to have these unpredictable answers. >> there>> is this idea, it makes me so angry that these republican campaigns complain about how much time he got. he did interviews, he agreed to do interviews. he stopped her and then after he got the nomination. we would ask for marco rubio, jeb bush, ted cruz and all of the others become a television and they would not do it. they did it in a very old-school way. they would do it on their time an

and he was at the congressional press dinner.nd that's probably why he was here. >> jeff mason just spoke. he heads up the white house correspondents' association and he said look i wasn't looking for somebody who's going to roast the president trump in abstengsau, that's not fair. so everyone's going to be looking at him to do a bit of that, because that's typically what happens at these dinners but for the first time in 26 years the president isn't there h himself. >> it's easier to be sincere and not just do the roast jokes that typically don't mean anything. he's a deep comedian. when i first heard trump wasabout going to boo there and when i heard it was hassan, i was like that's perfect. because he is sincere. >> i don't know how much of our show you've had a chance to watch. >> i'm stealing kate's joke about trump being a vampire. that's mine. and john, are you not entertained, not -- >> i know. i went to the internet as soon as the segment was over. we've been talking about divisive nature. it was the speech the president

>> press secretary spicer: absolutely.make sure all of our citizens are protected and returned home, but the state department is the lead on that. >> reporter: there's quite a bit of concern among republicans on capitol hill about the federal deficit. you roll out the tax plan wednesday, you also going to include things in there that raise revenue as well as the tax cuts so that conservatives can be confident that this -- >> press secretary spicer: we will have further details p it on my getting ahead of the presidential rollout, but i'm not going to -- the level of semester to be in terms of the pay for it and the cost we will have to see. >> reporter: is the president aware of the american pastor jailed and turkey -- >> press secretary spicer: i'm not going to get into the specifics of the president's conversation. we are obviously aware of that action. we are going to continue to work with the state department on that. >> reporter: can you explain why president trump did not use the word genocide to refer to the killing

he doesn't hate the press. he hates fact-based coverage of him, period. >> he's doing nine interviews this week that i've counted, including three today, another one tomorrow, and on the plane with him in pennsylvania, all of this evidence we've all accumulated the evidence of his love of journalists when it's convenient, love of attention, better word. >> we'll relate to this criticism, i wonder if we were late, because this is nothing new. everyone is criticizing president trump right now, and during the campaign at the end probably most journalists did, but remember on june 16, 2015, he said that mexican immigrants were criminals and drug traffickers and racists, and that reaction was mute. >> no, that's the reason why i'm on this campaign, is because i did stories about that. the reaction from maybe the general public was a little bit more mute. from cnn perspective, we covered it quite a bit. >> i think the criticism right in the beginning as forcefully, we were giving him tons of time and i don't think we

it started to honor the press and take care of the people and staff who work with the press. we always, every year, try to get te st-- the stenos. >> and we'll look at some of the maps, how is that impacting this dinner this year? >> actually we have sold out once again and when i start until 1993 the room was sold out. but i'm afraid it has impacted our media companies who bought tables and kpapted they would get guests from the white house the way they always have. it didn't impact us but unfortunately i believe it did impact our members in the organizations. >> let's talk about a few milestone years, 1924. why is that important? >> that's the first year a president of the united states attended. they said we don't want another long boring talk about separation of powers and that became unintentionally very important in drawing other presidents to the dinner because they loved the fact that they didn't have to gave speech. so hoover loved coming because he didn't have a to give a speech. it held until john f. kennedy in 1961 gave about a four-minute speech that sort of beca

press outside the united states?ink the point is that freedom of the press is the hallmark of american democracy. as long as i've been around, and i was a report he for 25 years. it is other countries look to the united states as the aspirational model of how the press should be treated. and obviously, there have been fights between presidents and the press before but we haven't really seen the rhetoric against the press that you highlighted in your opening segment. >> in my experience traveling with president obama and others, when you go outside the united states, the number one advocate for press access has been the president. president bush would fight for access. if china's government was trying to restrict things, russia's government, all this stuff. i don't know if president trump will do that. if there's a trim to turkey and erdogan who has cracked down on press freedoms. how much impact would that have? >> erdogan is a good example. he is the leading jailer of journalists around the world the world. by last

venomous towards the press. venomous towards legitimate political opponents, and it was a road map of a venomous state of mind that ought to concern all americans of good will, particularly republicans. attacking the press -- first of all, let's look at how trump got to be president. a lot of the institutions that he's attacking are the reason he's president of the united states, not to mention cable news and the "new york times" which gave him great attention that he loved when he was a candidate for president. he doesn't like opposition. he is an authoritarian. he doesn't understand the constitution of the united states. and what is news is partly that republicans who have talked to him, we need to do the reporting talking to republicans who will tell you, tell us as reporters, we have a president of the united states that does not understand the constitution of the united states, who is ignorant of our history, and who, in fact, is somebody we are deeply concerned about his state of how he is temperamentally

but you know, press secretary is important. he is the one who speaks on behalf of the administration. and when he says the kind of stupid things he does today, it hurts the administration. changes the story. and you don't want -- you don't want to change the story. you want to stay focused on what the president did and what he is trying to do in dealing with russia. that's the story. and this changes it. and that's not good. >> mr. secretary, i want you to stand by. we have a special interview right now. the white house press secretary sean spicer is joining us from the north lawn of the white house. sean, thanks very much for joining us. i know you want to clarify what you said. why did you even make that comparison to hitler on gas attacks? as you know, 6 million jews killed in the holocaust. many of them with poison gas. >> thanks for having me, wolf. i was obviously trying to make a point about the heinous acts that assad made against his own people last week using chemical weapons and gas. and frankly i mistakenly used an

house press. this is different. he's declared war on the press. pres. trump: we are fighting the fake news. sharyl: yet there seems little doubt that the media is breaking away from its traditional role when it comes to president trump. brian stelter: i get a ton of emails. sharyl: it seems like there has been an unprecedented blurring -- an accepted blurring of the lines between reporters who report the facts and those who then editorialize. howie kurtz: president trump has been obliterated because it is deemed acceptable in many quarters to say negative things about this president, to say sn word. scott thuman: le pen and macron are just the latest presidential candidates who not only are competing against each other, they are also competing against the rising threat of election tampering. are you amazed at what you see every day? the threat? how big it gets? gerome billois: yeah. the threat is growing, that is for sure. scott: what france doesn't want is what continues to plague the trump admin

looking at the press and the presidency. this panel focused on the future of the press. this is about one hour. >> what is the future of news in this divided and connected world? we have heard multiple participants say the news environment is changing, and changing rapidly. that is the big question for next panel, moderated by a man who covers the ins and outs of the media story every day, the host of cnn's reliable sources, brian. [applause] >> a little bit of our live addition of reliable sources this morning. a lot to talk about even in reaction to what kellyanne conway was saying. let me start with the former covering obama presidency. and then devika patrick, the ceo and founder of taxonomy. we'll talk about facebook's role in the future of news. they were covering the clinton campaign, and now doing abc six years ago, kellyanne conway just said the press is negative of the man we cover every day. are you presumptively negative? >> i'm cynical and that's my j job. >> not skeptical cynical? >> i think we have to be a little bit of both given this administration's rel

the press, the credibility of this particular president and how the press deals with it. >> i thinks become a press problem of how to deal with it. i mean, the president says, in so many words, without equivocation, crime rates went up under president obama, say, when they went down. what are you to do with that as a journalist who does not want to be viewed as political and who does not want his publication to be viewed as, sort of, taking on the president every day? and the answer is, in this world, you report it, you comment on it, and then you are denounced for being partisan. that's a big problem. >> okagay. >> i think the achievement of these hundred days has been that trump h gained the attention of sections of this country that were paying no attention. >> to civic life, to government? >> i believe that we have an alliance of interest from all quarters of america in our government that was not true in the no-drama obama years. what i mean to say, having -- for example, the musical "hamilton" drew people into caring about history, and obama did not do that as this guy, whethe

a free press is also not enough.t's part of the contract, a bond with our fellow citizens, and it comes with responsibilities. it has to be free but it must also be fair, fair to those whose stories are ignored, fair to even those who are not fair to us. citizens must take responsibility as well. despite the challenges and fax, because of the it's a great time to be a journalist because it's such an important time. and some have risen to the occasion. i must -- abc and elsewhere but we have to remain vigilant and fiercely independent. don't take the bait and don't curry favor. don't waste time on the shallow or trivial. focus on the issues, ask the uncomfortable questions, mine for the truth, study the detail. in a word, elucidate, despite the threats in the face of power on behalf of the people. because that's what he free press does. it's what's required of journalist o. it is what it democracy needs, humbly, it's what i hope i helped you in my career and will continue to do. thank you so much for this honor. [appl

the world is much bigger than the press. i do think that, you know he, the internet has broaded the range of voices dramatically and included literally everybody. just one final point. there is a professor at harvard who did a study of media landscape on the internet. actually, the landscape of the right is bigger than the landscape in the center and on the left. one of the other scary things in the analysis he did was that basically there is almost no communication across the divides. just doing mathematical analysis of traffic on the internet which is very disturbing. >> isn't that the biggest story of all up here? the biggest story up here about the future of news those two alternative realities. "breitbart" versus "the new york times" or cnn up on this stage earlier. is there anything facebook or other companies can do to heal that? that is profound wound. a gaping wound. >> this is big question at twitter and facebook. anybody who has read, you should read, mark zuckerberg extraordinary 5800 word essay a month ago, five

rocking about the needs of the press corps because until develop data good working relationship that has led to success on behalf of the oppressed core. and as the trump in frustration. >> but i will ask about the briefings in the debriefing room with the west wing and right house itself wises so important to be in the location where. >> is critical just to be present when things happen with the president decides to "meet the press" or has the meeting with a foreign leader we're right there or something last minute. and to see something. with the transparency that is from the constitution nor the first amendment to report on the administration to shed light of their all protected by the first amendment that is to be and the press room. >> between the press and the presidency is any different with this president greg. >> so over decades for longer than that. >> is hard to compare this to a lot of other administrations but then in some of those streets but it is our job to continue to say that is our job in with that not insignificant tension. >> '01 of those tweets i will not be atten

, 11 at night he had a press pool to broadcast what he did. that is what we were saying beforehand, he will realize the power of having this white house press corps there to broadcast what he does. >> speaking of syria, cecelia, was there anything to learn of live coverage, special reports from the networks? some shoddy audio when he did speak but the cameras were ready. >> which night was this? >> the night of the syria strikes. did you see anything about media tactics or techniques from this white house that stood out to you? >> nothing that comes to mind. >> i was disappointed for example, with the audio quality was troubling. camera wasn't -- there were issues with the rush to nature of it. >> i don't know. i guess i will, i'll give them a little bit of slack on that one, right? it is the first time anything like this happened. he was at mar-a-lago. >> right. >> they're, look, yeah they have to get the technology together. that is not the biggest offense in the world. >> yeah. >> i think, just in terms of coverage, you know this white hous

how many people do you know that have a press briefing and -- presse briefing into a full on mel gibsonffic stop. only the spice man. do you know what is crazy? show" we on the "daily do these jokes all the time. the administration lies, trump flip-flops. it does not matter. his supporters still trust him. it has not stop the momentum at all. it is is almost like the daily show should be on c-span. it has no impact. it's true. i realized something maybe it is because we are living in this time where trust is more important than truth. supporters of president trump trust him and i know journalists , i know you guys are trying to do good work. i think a lot of people don't trust you right now, can you blame them? unlike anderson cooper's bone structure, you guys have been far from perfect. [laughter] remember election night, that was your steve harvey miss universe moment. panes like walking into a ra bread and finding out your teacher has a part-time job, i was like what? [laughter] i guess you do not have all of the answers. it was all fun and games with obama, you were covering an adul

and he said julie powell in 1978 as his press secretary to make jokes aimed at the press. he came again in 1980 and was a little more accommodating. but it was not pretty. what is unprecedented about this year's dinner is the staff boycotting it. that is never happened. i find it troubling because of dinner started in 1921 to honor the press. ontake care of the people the staff who worked with the press. every year, we always try to get whostanozolol -- the stenos prepare the transcripts, the people who prepare the luggage, the people out of the spotlight --we give them a night to say thank you. i find it troubling the staff is not coming. host: julia whiston, how is that impacting this dinner this year? guest: we have sold out once again. when i started in 1993, the room was sold out. impactedafraid it has media companies who bought tables, and expected that they would get guests from the white house like they always have. it did impact does, but it didnately, i believe impact members of the organization. 1924. why is that research significant. guest: it was interesting.

he sent his press secretary and 78 to basically make jokes aimed at the press. he came again in 80 and was a little more accommodating. it was not pretty. so what is unprecedented about this year's dinner is the staff boycotting it. that is never happened. i actually find that troubling. the dinner started in 1921 to honor the press and take care of the staff who work with the press. we always come every year try to get the steno's who prepare the transcripts, the people in the travel office to take care of the luggage. people who are out of the spotlight we try to give them a night where we can say thanks. so i find it troubling the staff is not coming. >> julie, how is that impacting this dinner, this year? >> actually we so that once again. when i started in 1993 we were sold out, but i'm afraid it has impacted media companies who bought tables and expected they would get gas from the white house the way they always have. so it did not impact us, but unfortunately i believe it did impact our members and the organizations. >> host: let's talk about milestone y

the national press club and press club foundation. i'd also like to offer a personal thank you to those in this room who have been so supportive of me in this room. i'd like to thank thompsonroiders for giving me the opportunities it has and lastly i'd like the thank the members of the white house press core. it is a privilege to work with each and every one of you every day. thank you for having my back. and the back of the whca board. this is your dinner. this is our dinner. will all the white house reporters in the room please stand and be recognized. [ applause ] >> and that brings me to the toast. tonight we salute white house reporters. please raise a glass to them. to freedom of the press and to journalists here and around the world. here here. the next speakers really need no introduction. bob woodward and carl bernstein changed the course of history with their reporting on watergate. their work led scores of journalists to enter our profession and continues to serve as a shining example of the importance of strong reporting a

an opening 12-minute attack on the washington press core, a press screen that he and his aids have buildp tonight which obviously the television net works and many reporters have played into it. we are showing both events. both events are traditionally news worthy when the president speaks and the annual dinner and this coverage is unlike most others. the first absence of a president since 1981. the speech also notable for what sounded like a long list of in donald trump's vernacular, accomplishments. him listing things he has done or tried to do or been thwarted on in the area of executive actions, but the crowds here in pennsylvania welcoming that long, long list, although many fact checkers and journalists have pointed out how much of his agenda remains undone and how the congressional agenda has been repeatedly blocked. we have a lot to get here as we react to this speech and look ahead to what is the next anticipated event the comedians rebuttal as it were down here in washington, d.c. i want to bring in our panel john allen from roll call, maria from voters latino and we're witness

being personable, i was ejected from the press conference and his de the room, then came press person. she told me, do you want to go back? he said, i'll go back as long as, with the condition that he allows me to ask a question. then we spoke for almost 10 minutes. jake: it was a good exchange also, as i recall. jorge: he said, welcome back. i said, thank you very much. [laughter] he was personal at the end. martin: is there a sense in which he got the nomination by gaming the business model of the news industry? knowing how dependent it is on selling eye balls to advertisers and he was reliably entertaining and therefore he didn't have to pay for media, he was relentlessly able to get it. katy: i think that is a fair estimate of what his strategy was. and he said it. he said, as long as you're interesting, the eyes will watch you. martin: what do you do about that? katy: that's a good question. that's above my pay grade. brian: there were 16 republican candidates that didn't learn from it. a couple of democratic candidates who didn't learn from it. katy: what are they going to do? t

the american press was purveying this. it contributed greatly to the difficulties he had selling the treaty back home because he couldn't -- he wasn't as effective as dealing with public opinion in an open democracy as he was in a war dominated political system. that he came home and thought he could sell it by getting on a train. instead of doing what he should have done, which is negotiated -- if he had negotiated, he would have gotten what he wanted. sanctimonious was and refused to go back and forth, he failed. there are some historians like john l cooper that say that is unfair because he was ill, but the fact is wilson, even when he was well, had a capacity for rigidity. he had to leave princeton because he didn't compromise when he should have. that was a problem he had. sense, is a good tool picture of how you deal with public opinion. whether it is a wartime or peacetime situation. i'm going to give you the last word because we just got a few minutes left. monique: i was just thinking that to me, what was really a

he said jimmy powell his press secretary to basically make jokes aimed at the press. 1980 and was and little more accommodating. it was not pretty. >> what is unprecedented about this year's dinner is the staff boycotting it. that has never happened, i actually find it troubling because the dinner started in 1921 to honor the press and to take care of the people and the staff who work with the press. we always every are try to get stenographers to prepare the transcripts, the people who take care of the luggage. people who are out at stop lights, we try to give them a night where we can say thanks. i find it troubling that the staff will not come. of years, at moments how is that impacting this dinner this year? >> we have sold out once again. when i started and 1993, it was sold out. afraid it has impacted the media companies. they expected that they would give guests to the white house and they always have. i did not impact us but believe it didn't impact our networks and the organization. let's talk about if you milestone years, 1924, why is that your significant with your research

it's hard for the press to hold back when the press uses that language. >> the president's tweet tally. he tweeted he thought it was direct for mike flynn to ask for immunity. this fuels the story. the whole thing is this morning the tweets that you read over the weekend as well as the tweets during the week. the president is playing a major media role. he just has a more direct connection. according to polls most people think he should stop. howie: going after the freedom caucus the press is full of republican civil war. is the president too quick to call this a republican civil war or is this too bloody? >> you just put the tweet up there. his social media director came after a specific member from michigan saying let's primary him. another guy from idaho came to his defense tweeting back at the white house. i think the media loves to stoke the embers of internal uproar in the republican party, but in this case i think it's justified. >> i can't tell you how much republicans love to get on the phone with reporters and bash other republicans. how * aren't reporters encouraging that? >

that's how he got off to a bad tart with the press. if you are the press secretary and i asked you to do that, you say no. howie: when you were the state department spokesman you got a lot of flack about going after isis and the opportunity for jobs. when you were in that harsh spotlight did you feel there was a lot. marie: i have some sympathy for sean spicer. you are up there briefing on complicated issues. but if you are the white house press secretary, you need to be better than this. this is the last in a long series of gaffes and misstatements and telling things that weren't exactly true. i think that hurts the office of the president and i think that hurts the white house. howie: in real-time it made reporters say this is a big story because it's blowing up on twitter. it's amazing how social media drives the regular media. erin: i would also point out when sean spicer is briefing at the podium, he doesn't have the ability to see what's blowing up on twitter and the reporters do. he didn't realize what he had stepped into. spice

from himself or from the press? >> a lot of press meeting him after every flight asking him what happened and how did it go? >> on december 23rd, 1943, after knocking down four zeros in a single day, press microphones were waiting for boyington as he taxied to a stop. >> did any japanese planes come out to fight you today? >> yes, a number of planes came up and we entangled all that we could in dogfights. i saw eight other planes destroyed besides the four i destroyed myself. >> the next night at a christmas eve party, he made a startling prediction. >> he said don't worry about me, they can't kill me. he said if you ever see me with 30 zeros on my tail, i'll be all right. i'll meet you six months after the war in a bar in san diego and we'll all have a drink for old time's sake. >> ten days later, major boyington would be shut down in a running gun battle. but he didn't go quietly. before he disappeared, he was seen shooting down another zero, his 26th. he tied the record for aerial victories, but what about that p

he definitely focused on the press more than the press. >> totally. i loved it.t was like a roast battle of the press. when usually it's kind of a roast of the president. but this was a cool take of the roasting of different press areas and different press channels. hey, he might have a job here at nbc. >> you never know. patrick, one of the things that jumped out -- to sound old, i would note he sounded young in his references, his casual nature. what would you focus on. >> if you don't like trump, that was red meat for you. i think the only democratic jokes, one against hillary. and ballsy to not so subtly criticize the association to sensor him a little bit bye-bye asking him to dial things down. he didn't take that advice. and secondly knocked them for asking him to do that in the first place. >> did he make news in your view. >> jeff may said he wanted someone who wouldn't roast the president in absentia. it's fair but i think that has an minaj viewed that as them trying to tell him not to be tough on trump, and he obviously said, as he said, he's like, i ha

or is fair to the press. he does. he gives interviews. you mentioned someone by name who i regard as a very hard-working, honest journalist -- michael: it is on me. kellyanne: a hard-working honest journalist who happens to be a very good person. a mom of 3 who works hard and seems ubiquitous in print and on tv, and has had a nice profile written about her. you mentionednce someone by name, it felt uncomfortable. donald trump is a successful businessman, a well-known new yorker who had vision when no one else did, who is a master someone who has always dealt with the press. this is not uncomfortable for him at all. he is a natural with the press. what is different is him seeing in politics. what is different for the press is covering someone in the presidency who is not a typical politician. who you were not used a covering when they were a governor or a senator. you had the relationship with them and their staff that was government in nature. everyone is still trying to find their way in that regard. preside

he wanted the press to suffer. in his diary he talked about they want me to come and perform for my supper, i'm not going to do that. they are terrible. he sent jody powell in 1978, his press secretary, to basically make barbed jokes aimed at the press. he came again in 1980 and was a little more accommodating. it wasn't pretty. what's unprecedented about this year's dinner is the staff boycotting it. that has never happened. i actually find that troubling because the dinner started in 1921 to honor the press, to take care of the people and the staff who work with the press. and we always, every year, try to get the stenos who prepare the transcripts, the people in the travel office who take care of the luggage, people who are out of the spotlight, we try to give them a night where we can say thanks. so i find it troubling the staff's not coming. host: we'll look at some of the moments over the years. julie, how is that impacting this dinner this year? guest: actually, we have sold out once again. and when i starte

press secretary sean spicer just hours after provoking outrage.lking about syria's use of chemical weapons when he suddenly segued into hitler. here again is what he said. >> hitler didn't even sink to the level of kuziusing chemical weapons. what did you mean by that? >> i think when you come to sarin gas, there was no -- he was not using the gas on his own people the same way that assad is dog. i mean there was clearly -- i understand your point. thank you. i appreciate that. there was not, in the -- he brought them into the holocaust center. i understand that. i'm saying in the way that assad used them where he went into towns, dropped them down into the middle of towns. so the use of it. and i appreciate the clarification there. that was not the intent. >> well, his remarks obviously came as jewish people around the world are celebrating passover. jeff zeleny joins me with the latest. walk us through how this all happened. >> it started off with sean spicer trying to say that president bashar al assad of syria was worse than adolf hitler, that