presser rivera, how do you define delete. >> excellent question. it depends to you last. i've been looking natalie jobs in jobs in terms of investment banking, management consulting and these are in many ways the business says, the baby business elite. they are very, very prestigious positions. with high levels of economic rewards in terms of salaries. cultural elite, media elite. these are the people in the most tedious and reporting segment. >> host: is that we begat elite? >> guest: i think it does. a lot of it is unconscious to. we naturally premature tradespeople similar to ourselves. when it comes to elites whether economic or cultural, there's certain ways of carrying yourself, educational tracks and so forth that are more common and we come to believe that is the best one and what people who have merit, the types of paths they pursue. it reminds me of the research that shows what kind of driver is a good driver or what parent is a good parent. and i think there's something going on this in terms a new last positions of power and society they will give the definiti