with me now, mark preston, the executive editor for cnn's politics and abby philip is a reporter for "the washington post." welcome to both of you. so, mark, clinton leads trump by 12 points in that new abc poll, and by nine points in a new cnn poll of polls. isn't it premature, though, to say this race is over? >> yeah, look, carol, i mean the bottom line is, is that it's the race, the election were to be held today, donald trump would lose and we've seen that in this electoral maps not only cnn's but just about every other news organization shows that she would surpass the 270 electoral votes needed. but you know, there's still some time for donald trump to make up some ground. i think it would be very difficult right now for him to actually win this election. but who knows. i think this has been a campaign of surprises and who knows what's in store over the next few weeks. >> it certainly has been a campaign of surprises. so abby, kellyanne conway, who is trump's main woman, right? she's his campaign manager, she said over the weekend that trump is behind. she admitted that. but d