is to sort of feel the sort of forces that are shaping the world and try to understand and the preten shl word for it would be zeitgeist. we're obsessed by this but they're not always cultural, these forces. they're not always political. they can be economic, they can be -- technology is a huge force. so i did what i always do to understand a subject: i find the smartest people in the world and go work alongside them. so i've been -- you know, i've been investing, learning about that. you know, all kinds of -- >> rose: but technology give also gives you-- and bill gates is very strong on this-- it gives you the capacity to measure. and if you can measure you can figure out what's working and not working. >> yeah, i so love bill and melinda gates and i couldn't do what i do, we couldn't do as an dorgs -- he did a great thing, gave a million dollars ten years ago then told the "new york times" it was the best million dollars he ever spent. >> rose: on debt cancellation? >> to gear up to be more organized. when bill gates says something about you, it really helps you fund raise and then, you