these are teachings on homosexuality, on the male priesthood, and the primacy of the catholic church. >> potter: and yet that seems pretty central to what concerns the vatican. >> that's a very central concern, at this point, to the vatican. >> potter: so what, then, are the wider implications of an investigation into the women religious for the catholic church in america? >> right. that's a good question, and i think women religious say that this really represents an investigation or an attack, if you will, on the american way of being church, which really has stressed more lay involvement, more religious involvement, collegiality, more accountability of... demanded of the bishops. and so we're really seeing here maybe the clash of two models, and i think the women religious are right that this really is wider than just the women religious themselves. >> potter: now, there have been some discussions that perhaps what the vatican's really doing is sort of assessing property for its value. does that have any bearing, do you think, any validity? >> well, again, deborah, the fact is that