these were people who not even eligible under a prima facie basis for parole. and you would think that someone at least would have been able to check and they would check and i love the fact that they are each pointing at each other and the court clerk is pointing their finger at them. wherever one of these things happens it's what i call the newspaper test. no one wants to be the one reading about in the paper that sees they were responsible for someone being released. >> mark o'mara, the famous defending -- for defending george zimmerman -- forgeries like this could have been going on for years. ponder that. >> that's right. >> before we get to that, one young man watched his father die at the hands of one of those convicts. >> my life would have been different if i wouldn't have saw it but i saw it. >> we'll hear from the families of the men that these men killed next. kswagen "sign then drive" sales event is back. which means it's never been easier to get a new passat, awarded j.d. power's most appealing midsize car, two years in a row. and right now you ca

were the foundation in those first years after 9/11 a became institutionalized, then we had the prima faciece that documented edward snowden has disclosed with extreme your conviction of courage to make -- with extreme conviction of kurds. you cannot have governments in the united states without -- we have a secret government who is governing without consent and doing so in secret coercion. >> are snowden's disk or -- disclosures changing the way the nsa works? republican congress number who co-authored the patriot act is poised introduce a new bill to curb spying at the national security agency, commerce member jim sensenbrenner helped to expand spying powers under u.s. intelligence agencies under george w. bush, but now says the programs have gone too far. coleen rowley, why do you take this one? you work for the agency for decades. what about what is being proposed now as a result of what edward snowden has revealed? -- and ourr visit visit, we were told edward snowden that he had begun the debate by disclosing to american citizens what was going on, this massive spying upon american cit

that's prima facie. that's why we shut down because woe don't have a budget after agreement. >> for five years. >> the house passed one, the senate before that in june and now we're still here. we haven't had a conference. we can do that, we should have done it. the fact remains we cut $3.6 trillion worth of spending over the last three years. the deficit is half what it was during the peak. we are spending less money this year than we spent in 2008. so there's been a lot of progress made and the idea that this is getting worse and wore worse and worse is borne out by the facts. >> speaker boehner said there will be no default. there's got to with middle ground somewhere. there's gog to be something done where either they have the continuing resolution passed, the debt ceiling raised or somethingless has to happen. what is that something else that ee going to happen that will keep us from defaulgt on our national debt? >> a simple conversation between the two sides that sees things differently. right now

these were people who not even eligible under a prima facie basis for parole. and you would think that someone at least would have been able to check and they would check and i love the fact that they are each pointing at each other and the department of corrections is pointing at the clerk of the court. and the clerk court is pointing their finger at them. it shows you nobody -- wherever one of these things happens it's what i call the newspaper test. no one wants to be the one reading about in the paper that they were the ones responsible for somebody being released. >> i want you to ponder this. mark o'mara, remember, the famous -- famous for defending george zimmerman. forgeries like these could have been going on for years. ponder that. >> that's right. >> before we get to that, one young man watched his father die at the hands of one of those convicts. >> my life would have been different if i wouldn't have saw it but i saw it. >> we'll hear from the families of the people these men killed, next. [ female announcer ] the best thing about this bar it's not

i think that it should be prima facie, a case that you now lose your job. there has to be serious consequences for not reporting. there has to be serious consequences for lying. and we have to look at the number of people out there who are not currently self-reporting. because even random checks cannot solve this problem. there has to be true consequences. and so i'm interested -- anyone in the panel, about how we're going to amp up the penalties for employees not self-reporting. >> you know, that's absolutely what we're looking at as part of our 120-day interagency review. both the piece that you are talking about where are there any gaps in the self-reporting rtion versus an active reinvestigation period would address, that's in scope. what is the information that we collect and, you know, measured against 13 adjudicated standards and does it all flow right, that is all part of this. and then the accountability. here are currently significant penalties for, you know, lying or not reporting adverse information. yes, it includes revocation of your clearance