. >> reporter: the head of the international bar association says the interviews provide prima facie evidence that individuals from western governments are explicit in the killings and -- are come explicit icome live itin the ki. >> found to be directing targeting individuals that in turn would be targeted in a killing then there is a criminal responsibility. >> the british foreign office says it was aware of the allegation he of extra-judicial killings in kenya but rejected any involvement while the kenyan police rejected running an elimination program. simon bozeman, al jazeera, nairobi. >> you can watch the entire show on air monday december 8th at 2000 gmt. >>> germany will suspend its diplomatic services in egypt on tuesday, after canada and the u.k. temporarily closed their missions there. >>> former u.s. state department nanl graham bannerman says he doesn't think germ m germany's n to close their embassy was due to an ex replies its threat. >> radical extreme is are more active in the areas. embassies have to be more cautious about the well-being of their citizens and people

clearly a prima facie case that this was wrongdoing and unnecessary. but the first few hours of the report plus the rebuttal, and the minority report and then all the other supporting documents that have come out, i think there is a lot of sifting through that we'll have to do. frankly i think people who have some background as intelligence analysts will have to look at this before we can really come to a consideration. >> obviously there is a lot more to understand, more to know and more to digest. we're back with "inside story" after a short break. when we come back, what they told their captors. whether it was valuable, whether it was attainable some other way. stay with us. >> what were the policies? what was their purpose? did they achieve it? did it make us safer? less safe? did it make no difference? what did it gain us? what did it cost us? the american people need the answers to these request questions. >> you're watching inside story. i'm ray suarez. that was senator john mccain on the senate floor where he explains hi his questions towards t

clearly a prima facie case that this was wrongdoing and unnecessary. but the first few hours of the report plus the rebuttal, and the minority report and then all the other supporting documents that have come out, i think there is a lot of sifting through that we'll have to do. frankly i think people who have some background as intelligence analysts will have to look at this before we can really come to a consideration. >> obviously there is a lot more to understand, more to know and more to digest. we're back with "inside story" after a short break. when we come back, what they told their captors. whether it was valuable, whether it was attainable some other way. stay with us. >> beyond the verdict and on the streets >> there's been another teenager shot and killed by the police >> a fault lines special investigation >> there's a general distrust of this prosecutor >> courageous and in depth... >> it's a target you can't get rid of... >> the untold story... >> who do you protect? >> ...of what's really going on in ferguson >> they were so angry becaus

. >> reporter: the head of the international bar association says the interviews private prima facie evidence that interviews from the western governments are complicit. >> if they are individuals found to be not just training, but directing, supervising, targetting individuals that in turp would be targeted in a killing - then there is a criminal responsibility >> reporter: the british foreign office says it was aware of the allegations over extrajudicial killings in kenya, but rejected involvement, while the kenyan police denied running an elimination programme >>> let's talk to our investigative correspondent, simon, joining us from london. i know this is part of a programme, and we saw part of the programme there. other than the unnamed police we saw there, what other evidence do you think you have that backs up the allegation? >> alongside verifying these people were who they claimed they were, we took a lot of evidence they produced to witnesses to some of the event that they were talking about to victim's families and corroborated their version of event to what was seep at the

that would be a prima facie facie case. >> what we need, john and what we don't have is reliable statistics on how many folks are killed by cops each year, were they minorities, how much crime is done by african- americans each year. how much interracial crime. the justice department should report the figures every year. >> we don't have them because the police departments don't want to report those figures. the number of killings of black men -- i've been looking for those. >> i suspect when the cameras spread, the police will gain a reputation -- >>> second question, is obama turning america into a -- what's the word we want to use here -- a surveillance state? >> obama is not doing it but it is happening. it's happening because of the technology, the drones, cameras. they captured the scene in staten island. >> drones are just apple pie compared to what we're talking about now. policemen with these cameras on. >> what are you talking about? >> there are cameras everywhere. the cops upset are not -- the cops themselves are not upset about getting cameras. they see it as a way to vindicate

. >> the head of the international bar association says the interviews provide prima facie evidence that individuals from western governments are explicit in thcomeexplicit in the charge. >> if there are individuals that are found not just training but have found to be directing, supervising, targeting individuals that in current would be targeted in a killing, then there is a criminal responsibility. >> the british foreign office said it was aware of the allegation is of extra-judicial killings in kenya but rejected any involvement, while the kenyan police rejected running an elimination program. simon bozeman, al jazeera, nairobi. >> joining us from amsterdam, thank you for joining us. now we have these admissions from kenya's counterterrorism police that they did take part in extra judicial killings. you must be disturbed by this. >> i mean, these allegations are shocking. it's not surprising, because we've documented killings by the antiterrorism police unit in kenya and there is a long history of extra judicial killings by police and other units. but i think the level of coordinatio

done presenting their case there would be a motion to dismiss because they have not proved the prima facie and it wouldn't even go -- it'd be gone. >> and i guarantee you that nobody from the st. louis rams read the evidence in this case. because if they did, i'd have a hard time believing that any one could come to any other conclusion except the eyewitnesses corroborating officer wilson's story. >> well, you know, sean, maybe football players should understand what their lot in life is. they're playing a game. so stick with that. leave law enforcement and the legal stuff to people that actually know what they're doing. just keep it on the field and play your game. >> you had one of the football players come on here and it was last week when he talked to the kids, the community, telling the kids about violence. that's what we should get from football players into our inner cities, don't carry illegal guns and shoot little 5-year-old little girls, african-american, in the head. that's what they should be producing. they should be producing these commercials -- >> the lesson is don't rob a

. >> the head of the international bar association said the interviews provide prima facie evidence that individuals from western governments are complicit in the killings and could face charges. >> if there are individuals that are found to be not just training, but are actually found to have been directing, supervising, targeting individuals that in turn would be targeted in a killing, then there is a criminal responsibility. >> the british foreign offers said it was aware of the allegations of extra judicial killings in kenya, but rejected involvement while the kenyan police denied running an elimination program. >> simon bose man joins us from london. that report, just a small part of what you were working on, can you tell us what else you learned in this investigation? >> good morning. we learned that this killing program wasn't restricted just only suspected islamist militants, moved into kenyan life and normal kenyans going about their business were targeted, whether they didn't have a bribe on them, purely at the whim of a police officer. they were not above planting guns on a pe