do you know who primo levee is. he tells the story of these walking under an eve one day. they're not only starving to death, but dying of thirst. he pulls an ice sickle off an eve and sticks is it in his mouth. premo levee turns and say, why. and the prison guard says, "here is berone." isn't that what mr. sancrow has said to me and mr. grossman. i don't speak for mr. grossman, but if the defenses had been offered to the appellant court had been offered to him, he might have made a different decision, but more important than that is that everybody is entitled to a reason. levee doesn't call it anti- democracy. he calls it anti- humanity because we're all entitled to reason. it's a field of reason that we all cross which creates the bond of humanity. and that's what's really at stake here. look at this case again. speaker: i'm peter ward field. i'm not a party to this case. but certainly recognized as the previous speaker has mentioned, the significance of -- as to many people the reason for open government and the good functioning