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. >> to witham in northern essex with the local mp priti patel . with the local mp priti patel.arents came after eddie. i mean, threatened to literally kill the asians living in uganda. how they set up their own businesses. made a success of their lives and pretty of course, rising to some of the most senior cabin posts in milan. her ups and downs in politics, but also her love for her constituency . her constituency. >> welcome back. i should say there was a migrant hotel here, wasn't it? there was in the home secretary three years ago and i turned up and i probably helped you in a way. and everything changed after that. well, there we are. we are. >> we are. >> there we are pretty. i first heard of you in 1918, late 1996, early 97. i was told about this young woman who was working with jemmy goldsmith in the referendum party's office. i mean, so there's always been a bit of political rebellion in you, hasn't there? >> well, that's one way of putting it. but that also tells me i've been sort of doing the anti—eu campaign, as anti—eu campaign, probably as long as well. long as y

. >> to witham in northern essex with the local mp priti patel . with the local mp priti patel.arents came after eddie. i mean, threatened to literally kill the asians living in uganda. how they set up their own businesses. made a success of their lives and pretty of course, rising to some of the most senior cabin posts in milan. her ups and downs in politics, but also her love for her constituency . her constituency. >> welcome back. i should say there was a migrant hotel here, wasn't it? there was in the home secretary three years ago and i turned up and i probably helped you in a way. and everything changed after that. well, there we are. we are. >> we are. >> there we are pretty. i first heard of you in 1918, late 1996, early 97. i was told about this young woman who was working with jemmy goldsmith in the referendum party's office. i mean, so there's always been a bit of political rebellion in you, hasn't there? >> well, that's one way of putting it. but that also tells me i've been sort of doing the anti—eu campaign, as anti—eu campaign, probably as long as well. long as y

no, definitely politics for priti patel? i've been a member of the tory long, long tory party for a long, long time. of course, you know, i time. and of course, you know, i never tire saying my never tire of saying my political hero is margaret thatcher. you know, she liberated our country in the sense of the 1980s. throughout the shackles of 1970s britain. and what labour did to our country and all of that. you know, she was very much the person. and we were the party back then of entrepreneurs, smes , you know, the party property owning, democracy, all the things like low taxes, controlling borders, you name it. absolutely . wow. exactly. it. absolutely. wow. exactly. >> so that was so that was the conservative party. >> but that's why i got involved with the party. >> so what's happened to it? so nigel, that's why i involved nigel, that's why i got involved with the party. >> but always >> but i've always been a backroom person and i never, ever to a ever actually wanted to be a member parliament. i mean, ever actually wa

priti patel came out here in april of last year as well.was out here in the spring of this year. now comes james cleverly. so three home secretaries, but no migrants yet arriving here. why? well, there was a rejection in the supreme court of the latest iteration of the government's plan last month. and so the hoped for solution for ministers perspective is a treaty, an international agreement between rwanda and the uk that will be signed in the next couple of hours. and central to that treaty is addressing the principal concern set out by the supreme court. and this is a concern that any migrants that were sent here could end up being sent back to their home country or to another country. and the aim of this treaty and the new laws that will accompany it, both here in rwanda and in the uk, aims to ensure that that isn't possible. so that is the centrepiece. there'll be other details that we'll get in the coming hours. the government still hopes and says that it wants to get migrants on planes to rwanda by the spring. quite a few people are

priti patel came out here in april of last year as well.re in the spring of this year. now comes james cleverly. so three home secretaries, but no migrants yet arriving here. why? well, there was a rejection in the supreme court of the latest iteration of the government's plan last month. and so the hoped for solution for ministers perspective is a treaty, an international agreement between rwanda and the uk that will be signed in the next couple of hours. and central to that treaty is addressing the principal concern set out by the supreme court. and this is a concern that any migrants that were sent here could end up being sent back to their home country or to another country. and the aim of this treaty and the new laws that will accompany it, both here in rwanda and in the uk, aims to ensure that that isn't possible. so that is the centrepiece. there'll be other details that we'll get in the coming hours. the government still hopes and says that it wants to get migrants on planes to rwanda by the spring. quite a few people are pretty sce

an agreement signed in rwanda by the then home secretary priti patel in april 2022 was not deemed toient assurances. mr cleverly is in kigali to upgrade the agreement to a full treaty which will be binding in international law. the bbc has been told the new deal could see british lawyers stationed in rwandan courts. rwanda has had a difficult past. the home secretary this morning visited a memorial centre for the 1994 genocide in which around 800,000 people were killed. the rwandan government is keen to say the country has changed and insists it's safe. the uk government hopes the new treaty will help persuade the uk justice system that that's the case. but opponents say the whole scheme is a distraction. they've now sent more home secretaries than they have asylum seekers to rwanda. he's got another cheque—book to try and continue to pursue a failing policy which is still unlikely to ever affect a few hundred people whilst over 1,000 people arrived on small boats over the last week because they're failing to tackle the criminal gangs. the government has already paid rwanda £140 mill

as part of east african deja vu, priti patel came here as home secretary in april of last year and suellaree home secretaries making it to rwanda before a single migrant. last month, the supreme court said the rwanda plan was unlawful. this is what the government's hoped for solution looks like — a treaty between the uk and rwanda. the uk and rwanda are working on this because it is important, not because it is necessarily easy or that it buys you cheap or quick popularity. rwanda and the uk understand that there is a critical need to find innovative ways to address the suffering of migrants making dangerous, desperate journeys under the exploitation of criminal human smugglers. mr cleverly, can you guarantee that migrants will be on their way here as soon as the spring, or are you crossing your fingers and hoping for the best? of course, we want to see this, this part of our wider migration plan up and running as quickly as possible. we feel very strongly that this treaty addresses all the issues raised by their lordships in the supreme court. key to the supreme court's concern was the f

priti patel came here as home secretary in april of last year and suella braverman was here in march.month, the supreme court said the rwanda plan was unlawful. this is what the government's hoped for solution looks like — a treaty between the uk and rwanda. the uk and rwanda are working on this because it is important, not because it is necessarily easy or that it buys you a cheap or quick popularity. rwanda and the uk understand there is a critical need to find innovative ways to address the suffering of migrants making desperate journeys and the exploitation of criminal human smugglers. can you guarantee that migrants will be on their way mr cleverly, can you guarantee that migrants will be on their way here as soon as the spring, or are you crossing your fingers and hoping for the best? of course, we want to see this part of our wider migration plan up and running as quickly as possible. we feel very strongly that this treaty addresses all the issues raised by their lordships in the supreme court. key to the supreme court's concern was the fear rwanda would send people to countrie

priti patel came here as home secretary in april of last year and suella braverman was here in march.nth, the supreme court said the rwanda plan was unlawful. this is what the government's hoped for solution looks like. a treaty between the uk and rwanda. the uk and rwanda are working on this because it is important, not because it is necessarily easy or that it buys you a cheap or quick popularity. rwanda and the uk understand there is a critical need to find innovative ways to address the suffering of migrants not because it is necessarily easy or that it buys you a cheap or quick popularity. rwanda and the uk understand there is a critical need to find innovative ways to address the suffering of migrants making desperate journeys and the exploitation of criminal human smugglers. can you guarantee that migrants will be on their way here as soon as the spring, or are you crossing your fingers and hoping for the best? of course, we want to see this part of our wider migration plan up and running as quickly as possible. we feel very strongly that this treaty addresses all the issues ra

as part of east african deja vu, priti patel came here as home secretary in april of last year and suellach, three home secretaries making it to rwanda before a single migrant. last month, the supreme court said the rwanda plan was unlawful. this is what the government's hoped for solution looks like — a treaty between the uk and rwanda. the uk and rwanda are working on this because it is important, not because it is necessarily easy or that it buys you cheap or quick popularity. rwanda and the uk understand that there is a critical need to find innovative ways to address the suffering of migrants making dangerous, desperate journeys under the exploitation of criminal human smugglers. mr cleverly, can you guarantee that migrants will be on their way here as soon as the spring, or are you crossing your fingers and hoping for the best? of course, we want to see this, this part of our wider migration plan up and running as quickly as possible. we feel very strongly that this treaty addresses all the issues raised by their lordships in the supreme court. key to the supreme court's concern was

priti patel was the home secretary who first announced the arrangement with rwanda.ial outlay, £140 million. then earlier this year, under her successor suella braverman, an extra 100 million was spent. but that's onlyjust been revealed. and the current post holder, james cleverly, assuming still in the job next year, is expected to send 50 million more. here's another new face, one of two freshly appointed migration ministers. he insists it's money well spent. what we want to bring about is ensuring that the policy is robust, that the capacity is in place to operationalise this as quickly as possible. that is what some of this money is there to do. set that in the context of the £8 million a day spent that is currently going on, the rwanda policy is a key part of our answer to getting those costs down, to saving lives. remember, this is what the policy's all about — making people think twice before getting in boats. opposition parties, though, are scathing. the tories are taking the country for fools. we have been asking repeatedly for the full cost of this failing

we also had them intervene over a lot of issues, not just to do with dominic raab and priti patel.lso had them leaking information, tweeting around dominic cummings and in way and the government. and in a way i think what makes me sad about the you know, the civil service is, you know, they used say it's rolls they used to say it's a rolls royce. uh institution within british government it seems to have undermined itself . have undermined itself. actually, it seems to have weakened itself and i think this isn't about the civil isn't just about the civil servants major servants in every major corporation political servants in every major corftoday.| political servants in every major corftoday. and political servants in every major corftoday. and also political servants in every major corftoday. and also in,)litical servants in every major corftoday. and also in, in:ical servants in every major corftoday. and also in, in the life today. and also in, in the private sector. i think we have new generations of workers who 90, 9° new generations of workers who go, go into the office and t

priti patel came out here in april last year, suella braverman was here in the spring of this year. arriving here. why? there was a rejection in the supreme court of the latest iteration of the government a�*s plan last month, hope hoped—for solution from a ministers perspective it is an international agreement, a treaty, between rwanda and the uk, which will be signed in the next couple of others. central to that is addressing the principal concern set out by the supreme court, a concern that any migrants sent here could end up being sent to their home country or to another country. the aim of this treaty and the new laws that will accompany at both here in rwanda and the uk aims to ensure that it�*s not possible. this is the centrepiece, there will be other details we will get in the coming hours. the government still hopes and says it wants to get migrants on planes to rwanda by the spring, but a few people are pretty sceptical about that kind of timescale. obviously there is an election looming and being seen to address the issue of small boats with its flagship policy of rwanda

it was like a kind of quite out there idea which priti patel came up with back in the day.t is fascinating how it has become this thing which has just totally dominated the conservative party and there's so many, for something which there is this obsession with, there are also so many unanswered questions like, you know, when you dig into to the detail, there are questions like, you know, could we end up in this ridiculous, unintended consequence where rwanda could send us refugees before we've sent any, you know, migrants out there as well? because the treaty suggests that it's possible. yeah, and with all treaties, so much of this is about the fine print, right. and the idea that also in the treaty, you know, for all this bluster, for all this political capital, you're talking, if things go really, really well, 100 people. so ijust felt like this is something which just... do you remember that documentary about the fyre festival, which was this festival where everything went wrong and the organisers just kept going with it? people are, like, this is a disaster, there's no

priti patel came here as home secretary in april of last year and suella braverman was here in march. home secretaries making it to rwanda before a single migrant. last month, the supreme court said the rwanda plan was unlawful. this is what the government's hoped for solution looks like. a treaty between the uk and rwanda. the uk and rwanda are working on this because it is important, not because it is necessarily easy or that it buys you a cheap or quick popularity. rwanda and the uk understand there is a critical need to find innovative ways to address the suffering of migrants making desperate journeys and the exploitation of criminal human smugglers. can you guarantee that migrants will be on their way here as soon as the spring, or are you crossing your fingers and hoping for the best? of course, we want to see this part of our wider migration plan up and running as quickly as possible. we feel very strongly that this treaty addresses all the issues raised by their lordships in the supreme court. key to the supreme court's concern was the fear rwanda would send people to countri

and i'm totally with priti patel. if you do that sort of thing, then you must face the courts .d she said she felt elated. i think as i said in my express column, very good column, by the way, every wednesday, as i said in my express column i she express column, i think she should made face the should be made to face the victims and tell them how elated she feels. victims and tell them how elated sheyeah,. victims and tell them how elated sheyeah, no, indeed. this idea >> yeah, no, indeed. this idea that you can get in the way and stop things knowing what that you can get in the way and stop tpeople knowing what that you can get in the way and stop tpeople done ning what that you can get in the way and stop tpeople done for] what that you can get in the way and stop tpeople done for me|at that you can get in the way and stop tpeople done for me is these people have done for me is arguably the most unintelligent approach to the kind of open borders anti deport asian thing whatsoever. when you say to them , do you know whether or not that has murdered that person has murdered or r

so even under, you know, theresa may, priti patel , suella braverman james patel, suella braverman james particularly lefty loonies , you know, 60, 70, 80% loonies, you know, 60, 70, 80% of applicants are granted asylum. and so why are the granting asylum if these are all bogus claims? so i mean that's and even then, even when they claim those , even the ones that claim those, even the ones that are refused when they go to court, half those court, more than half of those the then overturn because the courts then overturn because they genuine asylum seekers. they are genuine asylum seekers. and then even if looking at this, know, we're talking and then even if looking at this, a know, we're talking and then even if looking at this, a yearw, we're talking and then even if looking at this, a year ago e're talking and then even if looking at this, a year ago whenilking and then even if looking at this, a year ago when we1g and then even if looking at this, a year ago when we were about a year ago when we were all saying is illegal. all saying this plan is illegal. obviously, know, we're just

but by that point the home secretary of the time, priti patel, had already instructed the police to stop recording, adding non—crime hate incidents over hurt feelings . incidents over hurt feelings. that was in april 2021 and then in march of this year, home secretary suella braverman published new guidelines reminding police that this is the case. but the college of policing have merely fudged the language of their guidance and just carried on as before . so just carried on as before. so what does that tell us? well, it would seem that the college of policing has been ideologically captured. now an activist captured. it is now an activist body, and would explain why body, and this would explain why so many officers to so many police officers seem to think their to monitor think it's their job to monitor the citizens , as the speech of uk citizens, as the speech of uk citizens, as the policing has been the college of policing has been told to stop it by successive home secretaries. they've been told it is unethical and unlawful by the high courts , and unlawful by the high courts, and st

guidance themselves, evidence has been received by the inquiry from the former home secretary, dean priti patelrjohnson, to what extent did your advisers and officials come to you over the summer and the autumn of 2020 and say, there really is a distinction about the problem of the efficacy and workability of the regulations? they are very difficult to understand and giving rise to a significant degree of confusion. did that debate ever take place? taste significant degree of confusion. did that debate ever take place? we did that debate ever take place? we did t to make that debate ever take place? we did try to make the _ that debate ever take place? we did try to make the rules _ that debate ever take place? we did try to make the rules as _ that debate ever take place? we did try to make the rules as simple - that debate ever take place? we did try to make the rules as simple as i try to make the rules as simple as we could — try to make the rules as simple as we could. the problem was the effort didm _ we could. the problem was the effort didm to— we could. the problem was the effort didm

i think it was started by priti patel and suella.suella, i mean , problem with suella, i mean, it's like a ppe essay discuss. i mean, she actually came up with some reasonable ideas, but then she drowned it out by saying really, really stupid things. so we'll only remember suella braverman for saying the silly things and not the occasional sensible things that she said. >> well, don't you think british voters see her as somebody who's on on their side, wants to get things done is actually she is forthright. >> oh, for heaven's sake. she just sees someone as rather a mouthy, shouty individual who's desperate leader of desperate to become leader of the conservative party, who wants to destroy, stabilise this government, view of government, not just the view of a posh lawyer. i don't think anyone's accusing i what i want. >> you say almost any african country would have been. well, not any african. but the trouble with of africa is the with a lot of africa is the human rights records. they're dreadful, bad . you know, human rights recor

i mean, we've had bonkers ideas from priti patel when she was home secretary about putting wave that that would, you know, coming to know, repel people coming to this country. i don't know what it to the cross—channel it would do to the cross—channel ferry traffic, but i don't think it would be hugely helpful. um and lots lots of and there are lots and lots of things, but you've got to stop the leaving the french and the boats leaving the french and belgian in the first belgian coast in the first place. the problem. place. and that is the problem. >> um, but not happening. >> um, but that's not happening. doesn't how doesn't matter how many millions, many millions, how many, how many millions, how many, how many millions have we poured into france? >> how many millions, how many millions and of pounds millions and millions of pounds have in while the have we poured in while the french make the point, which i have to say, have certain have to say, i have a certain sympathy for that. >> are inviting people in. we >> we are inviting people in. we have turned ourselves such have turned o

and even priti patel, i remember she made speeches saying, well, there's a 50% chance that it's goingged in the courts. so we're going to have to renegotiate an awful lot of treaties . and, you know, i'm treaties. and, you know, i'm going to sound really patronising, but i'm really pleased that you voted with the government tonight. seriously it sounds terrible. >> i'm sorry. you would , because >> i'm sorry. you would, because it was the right thing to do because you've got to try and support this government because at the end of the day we let labour in. >> there's going to be a lot of trouble. >> do you want to defend the labour party briefly before we move on? >> we could hardly do >> i say we could hardly do a worse job than this bunch clowns. >> that's having election. clowns. >> stephen aving election. clowns. >> stephenavirpopularzction. clowns. >> stephenavirpopularzcti> stephen so popular on this panel >> stephen so popular on this panel. thank you to my panel. anyway, thank you to my panel panel. anyway, thank you to my panel. we'll be panel. coming up, we'll be hean

now, if you go back to april 2021, priti patel, who was then home secretary in structed then home secretaryhis the police to stop recording non actually incidents this the police to stop recording non actually incinznts this the police to stop recording non actually incin court1is was actually tested in court because harry miller, who's part of a campaign group called fair cop, he was , um, logged with a cop, he was, um, logged with a non—crime hate incident when he retweeted a poem which someone found offensive. the police visited rather visited him. they rather chillingly we need chillingly said to him, we need to your thinking . they to check your thinking. they admitted there was no crime committed in that. but the thing is, he was an ex—cop, so he didn't it lying down. he didn't take it lying down. he took the way to the took it all the way to the court. the of appeal ruled court. the court of appeal ruled in december 2021 that it is unlawful for the current police guidance the guidance was unlawful, while the college in response college of policing in response didn't going to didn't s

boris johnson and priti patel, they both came up with those ideas and implemented those policies .as a distraction because they knew that net migration was going to go up. well up. >> france recently deported . >> france recently deported. a terror suspect again against a strasbourg ruling. they stood up for their national security , for for their national security, for pubuc for their national security, for public safety, against international law. the fact that conservative party refuses to do that and continue to kneel at the altar of impressing their international friends while putting us at risk, i think is a massive betrayal of the tory party. say , oh, we've party. and you say, oh, we've got the legal got to focus on the legal migration . yes, of course, but migration. yes, of course, but having documented men in their hundreds of thousands is such a betrayal that it makes us feel safe, especially women and girls. it is right. do girls. it is not right. we do not know who's in country, not know who's in this country, especially as the terrorist threat up . what we threat is

boris johnson and priti patel, they both came up with those ideas and implemented those policies .as a distraction because they knew that net migration was going to go up. well up. >> france recently deported . >> france recently deported. a terror suspect again against a strasbourg ruling. they stood up for their national security , for for their national security, for pubuc for their national security, for public safety, against international law. the fact that conservative party refuses to do that and continue to kneel at the altar of impressing their international friends while putting us at risk, i think is a massive betrayal of the tory party. say , oh, we've party. and you say, oh, we've got the legal got to focus on the legal migration . yes, of course, but migration. yes, of course, but having documented men in their hundreds of thousands is such a betrayal that it makes us feel safe, especially women and girls. it is right. do girls. it is not right. we do not know who's in country, not know who's in this country, especially as the terrorist threat up . what we threat is

she mentioned priti patel, so.tories into to the next wave of their future . let me know of their future. let me know your views and the usual ways. gb views at gb news. com loads coming in the next hour. all of that after your latest news headunes that after your latest news headlines with sophia wenzler. >> thank you martin. good afternoon. it's 5:02. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . wenzler in the gb newsroom. first, some breaking news. poland says a russian missile likely entered its airspace . likely entered its airspace. according to the head of the poush according to the head of the polish armed forces, both poland and nato's radar system spotted and nato's radar system spotted an unidentified aerial object over the country's territory. nato's secretary—general, jens stoltenberg, says the military alliance stands in solidarity with poland and that it remains vigilant . with poland and that it remains vigilant. it's with poland and that it remains vigilant . it's understood groups vigilant. it's unders

but suella braverman priti patel , theresa may didn't priti patel, theresa may didn't do any of that,hat that , pull factor. well, that that, that will not you won't do that without a megacorporation on the french coastline . we're sending french coastline. we're sending some money to build some kind of centre in 2012, £1 billion a year we give them. then we just build it in 2028. it's just going to be a bit of new infrastructure. look look at the plight. just look at the tvs , plight. just look at the tvs, shots from gaza. if you think a single person there , there is single person there, there is going to stay at home to be massacred, killed , butchered massacred, killed, butchered their families in by by all sides. it's all the fault of hamas, in my view. that's a different argument. and they'll be put off coming to britain and getting on a little dinghy to cross channel because cross the channel because there's some chance they might be to africa, the israeli. be sent to africa, the israeli. >> don't don't >> but you don't you don't think for that that for a minute that that pales

of course, priti patel, suella braverman and now to rwanda.e, priti patcleverly. and verman and now to rwanda. of course, priti patcleverly. and yetnan and now to rwanda. of course, priti patcleverly. and yet preciselyiow mr cleverly. and yet precisely zero asylum seekers have been deported to date. well, i'm joined now by our political edhoh joined now by our political editor, christopher hope. chris, he's calling it a vastly more robust am i being a cynic when i just say this feels like the same old ground hog day and sure, as night follows day, the lords, the liberals , the lords, the liberals, the lefties, the lawyers will be queuing up to take it down. well what's happened today is of course the government's agreed a treaty with rwanda to ensure that anyone's sent there from the uk arriving here illegally is treated with dignity. >> so there are measures brought in place in this treaty. are being through the detail here for gb news saying there for gb news viewers saying there that they'll enhance the functions of his independent monitori

the first batch was spent by the then home secretary priti patel when she announced the policy back in that is the question. the home office not going into specifics, but suggestion that it is for the economic development of rwanda and the former conservative minister rachel mclean suggested there was substantial setup costs. of course we need to give the rwandan government that money so that they can stand up those systems to process people properly. it is important that we fulfil our obligations under international law, where they apply to asylum processing. we haven�*t done any asylum processing. well, they are getting ready for it. we have actually appointed more people there, in rwanda, to process these claims. it's important that we have that infrastructure there. we are also told that no money was offered or handed over to the rwandans as part of the new treaty that was signed by james cleverly and kigali earlier this week but certainly huge questions hanging over this policy. rishi sunak says the only way to get things going is by passing the legislation he announced earlier th

. >> but also i'm pretty sure if you to priti patel and you talk to priti patel and suella braverman,e treasury and then by number 10 in form of then by number 10 in the form of rishi yeah rishi sunak. yeah >> suddenly, with an election >> so suddenly, with an election looming, managed rush looming, they managed to rush things quickly things through very quickly and i british public won't i think the british public won't notice. i think slightly notice. and i think i'm slightly concerned that, concerned about the fact that, you we most of us are you know, what we most of us are worried about coming here. people coming might be people coming here might be young okay, who might young men, okay, who might be more crime, more likely to commit crime, more likely to commit crime, more likely to commit crime, more likely maybe fraud, you more likely to maybe fraud, you know, the system. know, work the system. what we're young, we're turning away is young, caring women from the predominantly female professions of carers and nurses and that, i'm not sure is the right decision. >> i think we ca

macnamara who gave her evidence to the inquiry, sort of, to the to the inquiry, sort of, you know, and priti patelf raised the issue of domestic and how do of domestic violence. and how do you how do you help you sort of how how do you help people in that particular situation when you're imposing a lockdown? was sort of lockdown? and that was sort of glossed because there glossed over because there was so focus on lockdown for so much focus on lockdown for a health intervention as opposed to that more civil to one that was more civil liberty or civil liberties, civil society , domestic civil society, domestic abuse. >> papers today , we've >> in the papers today, we've learned this. think tank, learned from this. think tank, i think, and iain duncan smith has been on the channel talking about this, about the ways in which poorer people were so negative , impacted by our negative, impacted by our response to the pandemic . it response to the pandemic. it doesn't in and of itself mean that the response was definitely wrong. but it has to be taken into account. absolutely put into account. absolutely

housing across his department in housing and the home office with and also in the home office with priti patellear that he feels that it's not going to work and he didn't want to put his time and effort and reputation the line for reputation down on the line for a that he didn't think was a bill that he didn't think was going at the other end. going to work at the other end. and is is some and now there is there is some dispute about and you'll dispute about this and you'll get legal get loads of different legal opinions. bill minister opinions. but the bill minister looks this very carefully and looks at this very carefully and obviously braverman obviously with suella braverman has come and said much the has come out and said much the same . as a distinguished same thing. as a distinguished lawyer have lawyer and they'll have consulted friends . consulted their legal friends. and that is the that's the rub. this policy that seems not this is a policy that seems not to work without taking on the international legal framework. >> but what happened ? what >> but what happened? what changed? bec

housing across his department in housing and the home office with and also in the home office with priti patel clear that he feels that it's not going to work and he didn't want to put his time and effort and reputation the line for reputation down on the line for a that he didn't think was a bill that he didn't think was going at the other end. going to work at the other end. and is is some and now there is there is some dispute about and you'll dispute about this and you'll get legal get loads of different legal opinions. bill minister opinions. but the bill minister looks this very carefully and looks at this very carefully and obviously braverman obviously with suella braverman has come and said much the has come out and said much the same . as a distinguished same thing. as a distinguished lawyer have lawyer and they'll have consulted friends . consulted their legal friends. and that is the that's the rub. this policy that seems not this is a policy that seems not to work without taking on the international legal framework. >> but what happened ? what >> but what happened? what changed? b

he it originated with boris with priti patel and boris johnson.n it was carried through suella braverman through under suella braverman and rishi sunak has sort of belatedly the steward this belatedly the steward of this policy not his policy that was not not his initial idea. and i think he felt that he show resolve felt that he had to show resolve on that front. but it's and it was also but his big mistake, i think, was making it so front and centre of his offering on immigration, even though they often say this is not all we have sleeve, we have have up our sleeve, we have other ideas. it's all we ever talk about. so it has its dominated everything else and they made clear they haven't made it all clear what they're b would be. in what they're plan b would be. in fact, appear to have fact, they don't appear to have a b at all. so this is a plan b at all. so this is partly a bad luck, but also i think a lack of foresight at luke. >> i believe that your organisation looks for common ground. the common ground. where is the common ground. where is

priti patel signing the migration and economic development partnership two months later. deportation flight was halted at the 11th hour due to a foreign judge in a foreign country sticking their nose in. it was a sign of the banging headache to come that day is the closest this country has ever come to establishing a proper deterrent that would stop the boats. and remember braverman remember when suella braverman said i would love to be said this i would love to be here saying , well, claiming victory. >> i would love to be having a front page of the telegraph with a fly, a plane taking off to rwanda. thats my dream. that's my dream. when will that happen? >> even for the straight talking suella that dream became a nightmare. the courts blocked her every single turn. and if you believe her resignation letter, so did rishi sunak. and now we're expected to believe that that james, let's not leave the echr and the rwanda plan is batshit cleverly has got it over the line. sunak didn't back suella he stands accused of ignonng suella he stands accused of ignoring immigration mi

priti patel signing the migration and economic development partnership two months later. deportation flight was halted at the 11th hour due to a foreign judge in a foreign country sticking their nose in. it was a sign of the banging headache to come that day is the closest this country has ever come to establishing a proper deterrent that would stop the boats. and remember braverman remember when suella braverman said i would love to be said this i would love to be here saying , well, claiming victory. >> i would love to be having a front page of the telegraph with a fly, a plane taking off to rwanda. thats my dream. that's my dream. when will that happen? >> even for the straight talking suella that dream became a nightmare. the courts blocked her every single turn. and if you believe her resignation letter, so did rishi sunak. and now we're expected to believe that that james, let's not leave the echr and the rwanda plan is batshit cleverly has got it over the line. sunak didn't back suella he stands accused of ignonng suella he stands accused of ignoring immigration mi

. >> priti patel making quite the festive statement in 22 again.i mean, there at least. no i mean, i don't even know what that is . don't even know what that is. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> this is a strong argument against christmas cards, isn't it. yeah. well i, when it. yeah. well when i, when i was, when i was a lobby correspondent , we would get correspondent, we would get cards from the prime minister and things, and that was fun because you'd put it up on that thing. oh did you get one? oh, yeah. yeah, yeah. all sort of silly . yeah. it was kind of nice silly. yeah. it was kind of nice and exciting . and exciting. >> all right. well, i've got theresa from 2016. let's theresa may from 2016. let's have look . oh, what is wrong have a look. oh, what is wrong with you? can't you just slap a christmas tree on there? say, happy flipping christmas , you happy flipping christmas, you know, be done with it. know, and be done with it. anyway and this is, this is everyone's favourite . uh, there everyone's favourite. uh, there we go. that is, uh,

priti patel was trying to push it suella braverman tried to pushit it suella braverman tried to pushd by other ministers. stopped by the treasury, stopped by other ministers . and, you by other ministers. and, you know, it's absolutely right. the conservative government has failed on this and this is one of the reasons i think we're going to get a drubbing at the next election. they could have going to get a drubbing at the next yaaction. they could have going to get a drubbing at the next ya loton. they could have going to get a drubbing at the next ya lot betterey could have going to get a drubbing at the next ya lot better to :ould have going to get a drubbing at the next ya lot better to controlive going to get a drubbing at the next ya lot better to control our done a lot better to control our borders, and illegal, borders, both legal and illegal, and they haven't done it. >> was the european >> stella was the european union and states wrong to and its member states wrong to allow and millions and allow millions and millions and millions of undocumented people to wander in? >> n

priti patel was trying to push it suella braverman tried to pushit it suella braverman tried to pushed by other ministers. stopped by the treasury, stopped by other ministers . and, you by other ministers. and, you know, it's absolutely right. the conservative government has failed on this and this is one of the reasons i think we're going to get a drubbing at the next election. they could have going to get a drubbing at the next yaaction. they could have going to get a drubbing at the next ya loton. they could have going to get a drubbing at the next ya lot betterey could have going to get a drubbing at the next ya lot better to :ould have going to get a drubbing at the next ya lot better to controlive going to get a drubbing at the next ya lot better to control our done a lot better to control our borders, and illegal, borders, both legal and illegal, and they haven't done it. >> was the european >> stella was the european union and states wrong to and its member states wrong to allow and millions and allow millions and millions and millions of undocumented people to wander in? >>

. >> priti patel making quite the festive statement in 22 again.ean, there at least. no i mean, i don't even know what that is . don't even know what that is. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> this is a strong argument against christmas cards, isn't it. yeah. well i, when it. yeah. well when i, when i was, when i was a lobby correspondent , we would get correspondent, we would get cards from the prime minister and things, and that was fun because you'd put it up on that thing. oh did you get one? oh, yeah. yeah, yeah. all sort of silly . yeah. it was kind of nice silly. yeah. it was kind of nice and exciting . and exciting. >> all right. well, i've got theresa from 2016. let's theresa may from 2016. let's have look . oh, what is wrong have a look. oh, what is wrong with you? can't you just slap a christmas tree on there? say, happy flipping christmas , you happy flipping christmas, you know, be done with it. know, and be done with it. anyway and this is, this is everyone's favourite . uh, there everyone's favourite. uh, there we go. that is, uh, tha

i do think that, uh, priti patel, uh, suella braverman , for example, suella braverman, for example,so be another , uh, strong contender. another, uh, strong contender. you cannot rule out a potential return at some stage by boris johnson . uh, and after all, the johnson. uh, and after all, the ousting of boris johnson, i think really was the catalyst for the, the downfall of the conservatives that were seeing, uh, seeing right now. but i would say this , that the main would say this, that the main thing the conservatives have going for them right now is the, the opposition , the labour the opposition, the labour party, i think would be absolutely disastrous , uh, for, absolutely disastrous, uh, for, for britain , uh, a socialist for britain, uh, a socialist takeover of , of uh, of the uk takeover of, of uh, of the uk would be, i think, a catastrophe . and i think that the best hope for the conservatives are that a lot of voters are going to have cold feet about voting for, uh , cold feet about voting for, uh, for the labour party, which remains a very left wing party. and i do fear

but by that point the home secretary of the time, priti patel, had already instructed the police to stop recording, adding non—crime hate incidents over hurt feelings . incidents over hurt feelings. that was in april 2021 and then in march of this year, home secretary suella braverman published new guidelines reminding police that this is the case. but the college of policing have merely fudged the language of their guidance and just carried on as before . so just carried on as before. so what does that tell us? well, it would seem that the college of policing has been ideologically captured. now an activist captured. it is now an activist body, and would explain why body, and this would explain why so many officers to so many police officers seem to think their to monitor think it's their job to monitor the citizens , as the speech of uk citizens, as the speech of uk citizens, as the policing has been the college of policing has been told to stop it by successive home secretaries. they've been told it is unethical and unlawful by the high courts , and unlawful by the high courts, and st

we've seen that in the emails when priti patel was there, they virtually declared warfare on the rwandat's not their job to take that view. they should implement government policy. >> i'm talking about rwanda >> i'm not talking about rwanda immigration numbers were not where are today . where they are today. >> in the years you just suggested. >> because they were being >> no, because they were being processed. and if people know, they're going to know if people know, they're going be sent know, they're going to be sent back , they don't that's back, they don't come. that's the way to stop, to stop illegal immigration. people. we had a handful of them 5 or 6 years. we didn't have a handful. we did. we've had we. do you think we've had since 2018, since what we have sort of 40, 50,000 a year, right. they can be processed, 18,000. they can be. they can be. that's where we should. what did suella do? >> all suella can't do anything without the backing of her prime minister and her prime minister was two goals. >> well, she did nothing about processing. absolutely processing. she did absolu

labour people are looking some the are looking at some of the travails of suella braverman and priti patelking, look, you know, actually facing some thinking, look, you know, ac'these facing some thinking, look, you know, ac'these very facing some thinking, look, you know, ac'these very same facing some thinking, look, you know, ac'these very same difficult some of these very same difficult issues we're. of these very same difficult isleeah.we're. of these very same difficult isleeah. because kevin so far >> yeah. because kevin so far it's appeared as though the labour party aren't comfortable with the word deterrent or the concept of a deterrent. we've heard instead that keir starmer will focus on smashing the criminal gangs the government also say they're doing that. they say more cooperation with europe . again, the government europe. again, the government say they also want to do that. do they consider offshore processing to be a type of deterrent ? deterrent? >> absolutely they do. and this is this is the paradox really that it doesn't matter whether you play for the red team or the b

priti patel suella braverman and james cleverly and not a single person has even been deported.ew now from kigali. adam bradford is a resident of rwanda. he is now the. thanks for joining us on the show , for joining us on the show, adam. its become a huge political football in britain, rwanda, the huge sums of money, £240 million, as you just heard . £240 million, as you just heard. its dividing the tory party right down the middle, the same as we saw with brexit. its causing a political war between the labour party and the conservative party one that could bring down the government and be a defining act of the next general election. meanwhile you're sitting in rwanda . what's you're sitting in rwanda. what's the reaction to the whole debacle in your home country where you sit in now ? where you sit in now? >> yeah , thanks. i mean, i think >> yeah, thanks. i mean, i think over here there's a lot of confusion and i think a lot of kind of undue criticism thrown at rwanda because of the way that this has been handled. i mean, there's no issue over here with the deal at all. our g

priti patel, suella braverman and of course, james cleverly.ith our political editor, christopher hope , who editor, christopher hope, who joins live from our joins us live from our westminster studio . chris, just westminster studio. chris, just saying to viewers, rishi was probed heavily on rwanda and he did drop in a tantalising detail about potential doing deals with other countries, which sounds very exciting. i think a lot of people would . be hoping that's people would. be hoping that's the case. do we think there might be some dramatic breakthrough after his weekend with george maloney italy ? with george maloney in italy? >> well, the government does point towards the fact that other countries are doing these third country processing centres. we're seeing a deal, aren't we, with italy and albania . germany is looking at, albania. germany is looking at, for one, these are offshore processing centres, not deportation plans, which is what the government's plan is with rwanda. and that's why labour is so much against it. the idea, the uk h