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disagreeing with her as well priti patel, disagreeing with her as wetland _ priti patel, disagreeingi— priti patel, disagreeing with her as well and i think this question of farage — well and i think this question of farage will dog the tory leadership campaign _ farage will dog the tory leadership campaign and i for one cannot necessarily say at this point where the members are on that question. can we _ the members are on that question. can we look— the members are on that question. can we look at the future as well? because _ can we look at the future as well? because i want— can we look at the future as well? because i want to _ can we look at the future as well? because i want to talk _ can we look at the future as well? because i want to talk about - can we look at the future as well? because i want to talk about the l can we look at the future as well? . because i want to talk about the way in which _ because i want to talk about the way in which a labour _ because i want to talk about the way in which a labour government - because i want to talk about the way in which a labou

now, benjamin butterworth , do now, benjamin butterworth, do you fear priti patel , no, i you fear pritithink if i were a conservative, if you asked me to put a bet on which isn't very fashionable in politics at the moment, my bet would be that priti patel will be the next conservative party leader. interesting. and i think she will win it quite clearly. i think i get the impression that what that former adviser was talking about when he said, we don't want someone who promises a lot and is inexperienced, i think that's a criticism of kemi badenoch. i think suella braverman is chaotic and unreliable, and she was the person who let all the immigrants in which she claims to have a problem with. so i think she will not get very far. i think priti patel would be their best choice . their best choice. >> just does anyone on the panel think that anyone actually cares? do you think everyone's just checked out and sort of thinks, i actually don't care what happens to the conservative party? >> i also completely disagree with benjamin. i think it's going to be a liberal one nation, one well, yeah

disagreeing with her as well and _ priti patel, disagreeing with her as well and i— priti patel, disagreeing to talk _ can we look at the future as well? because i want to talk about - can we look at the future as well? because i want to talk about the l can we look at the future as well? . because i want to talk about the way in which _ because i want to talk about the way in which a labour _ because i want to talk about the way in which a labour government - because i want to talk about the way in which a labour government with a j in which a labour government with a massive _ in which a labour government with a massive majority— in which a labour government with a massive majority actually— in which a labour government with a massive majority actually is - in which a labour government with a massive majority actually is not - massive majority actually is not great _ massive majority actually is not great for — massive majority actually is not great for democracy, _ massive majority actually is not great for democracy, which - massive majority actually is not great for democracy, which is

it was not taking his orders from priti patel. he doesn't have enough tests.re's also there's it's funny though, we've got two stories on that front page. daily telegraph, the other one britain, 20 years behind europe on cancer care. and in a way they kind of they reflect the same thing, which is that covid created an awful lot of backlogs of one kind or another, many of which just need to be cleared out now. and we need to get a fresh start. i mean, i remember must be nearly ten years ago now. was it new tree came in? was that ten years ago or the historic sex crime? i know 2 or 3 people who work in the criminal law, you know, judges and barristers and so on. so this ridiculous backlog of cases, some of them 30 years ago, you know, that, just blocking up the system and preventing us from actually deaung preventing us from actually dealing with crimes that are being committed now and that, you know, you need to disincentivize. right? yeah the activities of criminals rather than digging out 78 year old prep school masters who are did i can't remember. let's see

resisting the sort of dramatic rhetoric you've had from various conservative home secretaries — priti patelking about how they'd stop the small boats. the challenge for him is that the small boats are the symptom of a problem across europe, which is there is huge migration that is coming to europe. would a labour government be able to sort out the national health service? well, on the national health service, labour does have plans for increased investment, but it's pretty small. talking about1 billion or 2 billion. that's not much. when it's a budget of 200 billion a year, it's not much. the institute for fiscal studies has said that is a tiny amount of money. what wes streeting would say is, he would say, "look, the health service is a service, "it's not a shrine, and you can't just chuck money at it, you've got to reform it". and indeed that is very much the view in the rachel reeves shadow chancellor team, the shadow treasury team that you'd have to have reform. british politics have always been fairly stable. i mean, there have been blips here and there, and there's been a major blip,

theresa gorman, don't forget, there have been many, many famous tory mps there who are female and priti patel them. absolutely very popular in her area. no, i was just referring to the fact you'd said that a lot of man i did say that. i met a woman on the street and when we mention individual candidates, all the lists are on the website. but just to say that i met one voter who is undecided now, she said to me on the street, she kept me talking for a long time. i'm someone who remembers. i grew up with my mum telling me women didn't get the vote in this country for until onlyjust about a hundred years ago. we need to vote. and she says, but i've never been so confused. absolutely disgusting. i mean, would it influence how you vote? i'm not sure. ijust don't trust politicians now. we just had this conversation and i said, i don't know what to do because i've always voted and i do not know what to do. could someone still get hold of your vote? could you still be convinced one way or the other? i don't know. i'm very confused about it all. have you ever been this confused? no. well, thank you fo

theresa gorman, don't forget, there have been many, many famous tory mps there who are female and priti patelm. absolutely very popular in her area. i met a woman on the street and when we mention individual candidates, all the lists are on the website. but just to say that i met one voter who is undecided now, she said to me on the street, she kept me talking for a long time. i'm someone who remembers. i grew up with my mum telling me women didn't get the vote in this country for until onlyjust about a hundred years ago. we need to vote. and she says, but i've never been so confused. absolutely disgusting. i mean, would it influence how you vote? i'm not sure. ijust don't trust politicians now. we just had this conversation and i said, i don't know what to do because i've always voted and i do not know what to do. could someone still get hold of your vote? could you still be convinced one way or the other? i don't know. i'm very confused about it all. have you ever been this confused? no. well, thank you for talking to me. 0k. bye bye. so at the start, she's disgusted by the betting story, w

guess if we're i talking about the conservatives on the right the party, priti patel and suella bravermanf. nigel farage is very much hinted that he wants to be prime minister in 2029. he is not really hinting any more. he sees all of this is a hostile takeover as opposed to a merger. he very much thinks, i believe, i mean, either he would have to go and become a conservative mp and certainly suella braverman who is another contender who will try as well for the leadership, she has said that nigel farage would be welcome in the party. 0thers farage would be welcome in the party. others that very much said that no, he would not be. in which case, we might see conservative mps who are happy with whoever is left in the final two left running the party, they might at that pointjust go and defect. certainly some have told me that that is their plan. {lilia most of the programme tonight will be devoted to issues in scotland with the launch of the snp manifesto. so only right that we check in on how scotland are faring at the euros. they have are playing switzerland tonight in cologne, while we

should priti patel take over from rishi sunak?ghted to see that she's, in any contest. >> that's great, there may be other great people. i very much hope that rishi is going to win. and one of the things i would stress the time i've spent out, here in altrincham on the doorstep with our excellent candidate, oliver carroll, we're a good reaction. it's certainly not consistent with the polls and i'm hearing that from a lot of other people. so i'm more positive than the media and the people reading the polls, would be, but if we do end up with a leadership election , i think leadership election, i think it's great. we're going to have a good choice of candidates. and pretty certainly would be amongst them, he's a he's a master at the you could see why you, you were in the game for so long. so graham so all right. well you would you be your favourite though . favourite though. >> who else might be in the, in the running . the running. >> my favourite is that but i, but i am being told that we are out of time but look anyway and also s

i remember that happening when priti patel was home secretary.d from nigel farage is so clearly, and i've been trying to think about it all day, is what his solution to the problem is, regardless of what we are or are not doing with the french, well, you might want his money back. he might want his money back. he might also want a solution that's completely impracticable, which seems to be the case, which is simply trying to force the boats back on the french. okay, you try and do that. what happens then? well, but but there is a halfway house. >> i mean, it is common ground between us and the french that these sailings are illegal. well, they're not they're not illegal. >> no, i mean that the migrants may become illegal when they get to this country. it is not illegal under international law to sail across the channel in a dinghy , even though you're dinghy, even though you're clearly imperilling your life. i mean, i'm i that's my choice. i remember nigel saying that if he tried to set sail in in his little boat. yeah, from any french port, he w

after endless court cases, it was approved by the then home secretary, priti patel, in 2022.lthis 2022. butjulian assange kept appealing, until this deal was struck. australia, his own country, had recently pushed hard for his release. . , , ., , release. regardless of the view is that people _ release. regardless of the view is that people have _ release. regardless of the view is that people have about _ release. regardless of the view is that people have about mr- release. regardless of the view is i that people have about mr assange's activities, the case has dragged on for too long. there is nothing to be gained by his continued incarceration and we want him brought home to australia. but there is an i er brought home to australia. but there is anger in some _ brought home to australia. but there is anger in some quarters _ brought home to australia. but there is anger in some quarters in - brought home to australia. but there is anger in some quarters in the - brought home to australia. but there is anger in some quarters in the us. | is anger in some quarters in the us

jenrick estimated priti patel, tobias ellwood, gillian keegan so it's just like it's everyone. like a scene in goodfellas where de niro just whacks everyone. >> i think the daily telegraph is a superb newspaper and they're pretty even. i do wonder, however , that when these wonder, however, that when these polls get this disastrous, that it might be a way of nudging the tory voters and saying, look, this is a possibility , maybe you this is a possibility, maybe you should change your mind. i don't believe, actually. and i know you're, voting labour because it a tie . no, you don't know. i a tie. no, you don't know. i don't know that. i don't know that at all. i don't know that at all. and that's a fair point, josh said seriously, which made me feel bad. but i don't think they're all going to labour. i just don't . i just don't see just don't. i just don't see every other vote going to laboun every other vote going to labour. you're in a bubble, mate i >> -- >> i, -- >>i,i >> i, i think hm >> i, i think i've, i tell you, what i spoke to was talking about bubbles. my barber today

after endless court cases it was approved by the then home secretary, priti patel in 2022, butjulian his home country, had recently pushed hard for his release. regardless of the views that people have about mr assange's activities, the case has dragged on for too long. there's nothing to be gained by his continued incarceration and we want him brought home to australia. but there's anger in some quarters in the us. the charges were first brought under donald trump. his former vice president, mike pence, said julian assange had endangered the lives of american troops at a time of war and should have been prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. in australia, his wife stella waits for a family reunion and the final act of an extraordinary legal and human drama that spanned several continents and 1a years. caroline hawley, bbc news. 0ur north america correspondent, nomia iqbal, explains the significance of the move from the us and president biden. three years ago, the us justice department said it wanted to pursue extradition. the americans, as caroline said there, you know, they'v

priti patel suella braverman robert jenrick , suella braverman robert jenrick, kemi badenoch, penny mortonan, you know, if you're a betting man, who would you're a betting man, who would you put your money on? >> none of them. i mean , i mean, >> none of them. i mean, i mean, it would be silly, actually , it would be silly, actually, scarlett's entirely right. we just have. it's almost impossible to predict what the shape of the parliamentary party is going to be. and therefore, what who? who the candidates who go through to a vote from the members. would you know who who are they going to be? very difficult to tell. what we're seeing at the moment is people looking forward to post—election, in case they've retained their seat, are they interested in going for it? what sort of support do they have? there are conversations ongoing that's natural , that's normal. that's natural, that's normal. but there are there are two real sort of takeaways , maybe from sort of takeaways, maybe from this, the fact that the right of the party absolutely seems dead set on ensuring that sunak is not the lead

. >> well, let's give the counter narrative to that, because we had a couple of ministers, priti patelst in expressing a view that they were getting frustrated with their civil servants. they expressed their frustrations and then they were sort of accused of bullying. so can there also be just a disconnect between ministers wanting to carry out quite a radical agenda and civil servants saying, no, no, no, you can't . can't. >> i haven't seen that happening. i mean, there's no cause for bullying and harassment by ministers or civil servants. of course that's that's out. but as i say, i repeat what i say a civil, a minister who knows exactly what he or she wants is much more popular with civil servants than one who doesn't. and that's not a political statement. if the minister comes in and says, this is what i want to achieve, tell me the pros and cons of different ways of doing it. that goes down far better with the civil service and a minister who comes in and says, well, i'm not quite sure. what do you think i should do? and the best ministers are the ones who give clear guidance, who

seven years to avoid extradition to sweden on rape charges in june 2022, the then home secretary, priti patel the us, but he had been fighting that decision, with the high court granting him permission to mount a fresh appeal in may this yeah mount a fresh appeal in may this year. but earlier today, assange left belmarsh, boarded a flight to northern mariana islands in the western pacific, where he's expected to plead guilty to a single charge before being allowed to travel to australia. so there we go, well, i'm going to wizard us back over to my panel now, because unfortunately, julian assange's former lawyer, has pulled out at the last minute, which, dare i say, is probably a joke in there somewhere about maybe that's why he spent so long in prison. but journalist and author harriet sergeant, political correspondent for the spectator, james heale and gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson. what do we feel about juuan nelson. what do we feel about julian assange? is he a hero or a villain, do you think? harriet? i think he's a villain. >> i mean, i listened to the bbc radio four

senior and well known conservative figure on those benches and most of the tories surrounding him, priti patelhey're going to vote together. let's see what happens. >> all right. let's let's have a look at what benjamin butterworth thinks. because actually you don't like either of them. >> no, i mean, i note that you're both dressed in black like you're at a funeral. >> you are about to lose. >> you are about to lose. >> i mean, why not make plaid cymru the official opposition party? because you're going to have, if you're lucky, about as many mps as plied and out. no one thinks that there are 3 or 4 mps or what it could be is serious . you know, it's serious. you know, it's completely delusional. and i find it really odd because this surge still takes you to about 1 in 6 votes, right? there's far more for the labour party, more than double for the labour party. what reform is getting before you take in the lib dems, which are pretty similar. so the idea that the country is crying out for it and the popular will is for reform, but if we're talking about opposition in particular, benjamin, not

>> yes, they should stop doing it, priti patel made that very clear in 2021 as well that it should stopuidance as well. so simple one. yeah. stop doing it. >> okay. do you agree that parents and psychotherapists should be free to advise young persons and others not to change their gender? >> they should be, yes. and this is one of the worries we had about this conversion therapy ban.so about this conversion therapy ban. so it's something that people supported in principle. there's a lot of issues around this, you know, say, say a girl suddenly says she's a boy. you want to go and see a therapist and say, no, actually, you know, i think you're young, you're confused. have a think about it. you don't want those people being prosecuted for that . so being prosecuted for that. so it's a little bit nuanced, i think. and this is why we're a bit worried about the legislation before and kind of the unintended consequences of it. >> okay. number three, do you believe it is wrong for teachers to tell school kids that britain is a structurally racist society? >> i do , yes. i'm a former >> i do, y

penny mordaunt was on 15, james cleverly on 6, kemi badenoch suella braverman, priti patel and roberthere. but tory voters want farage to succeed as a leader. what do you make of that, ben? >> i think that our new leaders have to be showmen. i think we've just moved into that time of social media, and it's like that pop star time where everyone's just got to be famous and have some nice lines and stuff like that. and i think that, you know, some of the even even with london mayor, he's from that school of, you know, bofis from that school of, you know, boris johnson and angela rayner kind of fits into that school. so they all went to the same school. do you know what i mean? >> just just briefly, what did you make of rayner's mistake? where she said abstract instead of abstract? i don't want to dig her for that, because it's the kind of thing i'd say on air and i've probably made many similar mistakes before. but i mean, is that a sign of anything or just that a sign of anything orjust a just an innocent mistake, you can't really tell with her. it's probably just an innocent mistake .

she also dismissed priti patel's experiences of lived racism. so what is she?now, is it okay to sort of denounce racism as long as it isn't against tory mps of colour? that's what it comes across. it's total hypocrisy. and then we've got david tennant , you know, this david tennant, you know, this luvvie thespian. >> what did you make of that picture of him, by the way? with the you'll have to go through me first with his, trans flag. >> it just it makes me feel sick. >> yet he tops the polls of men that women find sexiest again and again and again. you're speaking when you're speaking to the only true 100. no, honestly, objective polls on the internet show women love him. >> do you think he. i mean, which way modern man was would be the twitter? i would say that he is a do you think this is this is, you know, a masculine, strong man to look up to? >> yes, absolutely. he's a stepparent to a trans child, which i think is an extraordinary child. one of his children. i don't know whether it's a stepchild or his biological child, but one of them is trans, he is a v

. >> well, i think if they sort of build a party around your priti patels and those sort of, they have chance to regrow if they go the one nation for me, they're finished. >> well, i mean, look, i don't know when the last nail in the tory party's coffin was. i mean, maybe there's another one coming. i don't know how many nails you can get. exactly how tight you can shop the coffin, to be honest. look, you know, and i'm only i'm only reflecting what i'm seeing. this is not, you know, this is not partisan at all. but what was the latest one? we're now dealing with some potential betting potential differential. >> look, i mean, i'm i'm sick of this government. and i was in the coalition, the tories, who were a better government in 2010 to 2015. the cameron. i'm sick of the corruption. i'm sick of the incompetence. i'm sick of the incompetence. i'm sick of the lies. well, it's not just getting it's not just them though, is it? >> i mean, let's be honest, the labour party haven't been. >> well, labour are saying i mean, they've all both of them have had their own little labour saying nothin

when priti patel was home secretary and we refused it, we refused a safe processing centre that willcrossing the channels. i don't believe in punishing britain british businesses at all, or, you know, or british homeowners or anything like that. why are we punishing british businesses? what we should have been doing is training our own. at the same time. once our own are trained , time. once our own are trained, then by all means put caps on foreigners coming over to take that over. however, in the last 14 years, and especially since brexit, we were promised that we would be our own, would be trained a still remain in hospitality, in construction and also in the care sector. now you can't put a cap on a care sector because that will crumble in virtually months if we do that and we're already seeing the effects of the policy of not allowing their dependents to come over because carers just aren't choosing to come here anymore. so don't. sharon, let's have a mixture and a sensible policy. and i think all three parties are missing the ball here. we might need an amalgamation and let's t

. >> margaret says boris, are you going to talk about priti patel? i thought man which man?nson has been raised by tory centrists as he's raised by tory centrists as he's raised by tory centrists as he's raised by himself. man, he is no farage. there's no chance that bofis farage. there's no chance that boris johnson is getting a sufficient purchase with the british public. he's not getting a second chance. he's having a quite nice life right now , quite nice life right now, earning an absolute fortune on the circuit . he would do it for the circuit. he would do it for his own vanity. boris johnson doesn't want to put the hard well, he's in the opposition shaving. >> there is sporadically. >> there is sporadically. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> exactly. how many chances did the italians give berlusconi until he died. >> and look what happened. >> and look what happened. >> kept on giving him more and it didn't work out so well for him. trump's about to get another shot at the white house and he organised a riot outside. the people are very tolerant. >> winston churchill of course, did

kemi badenoch says she will not actually bring farage back into the party, whilst priti patel and jacobob rees—mogg would, and jacob has actually predicted farage could become tory leader at one point, well, i don't think he would want to, i don't well, i mean the stigmatised, you know what nana know what? >> nothing would surprise me anymore. absolutely nothing would surprise me. but what was cunousin would surprise me. but what was curious in that that debate on friday night, we had the seven of them on the platform, whilst penny morden was doing a lot of that. >> oh, that was, that was quite aggressive. >> yeah. with angela rayner, she actually didn't attack nigel farage in any way, shape or form. in fact, i think she barely mentioned him. so it's interesting. and you know, when we've seen what happened in europe overnight with the rise of the right wing parties and inverted commas, you know, with our politics, anything is possible. i mean, you know, this is suella braverman and this is what suella braverman says and does, but , what suella braverman says and does, but, you what suel