effective, but certainly with the new recess appointments, the nlrb has been strengthened on the pro union side. and brenda, we talked last week and some of the points that we brought up, the growth rate of unionized firms is zero, the unionization leads to higher unemployment, unionization is the basically like a 30 percentage point tax increase on companies that have them. so, we know that unionization is not good for the economy. we also know on the flip side, the nlrb is pro union and they're an apartment accountable agency to all-- to no one. so, right there. you put it altogether and say, does this look good for the economy or bad for the economy? you have to conclude, bad for the economy. >> all right. steve, you answer that. >> well, that's completely false, about the nlrb. and they are not able to-- >> and where are the-- >> they're not able to false management and labor and not able to bring in binding arbitration as the employee free choice act called for. there's zero correlation between strong economy, weak labor. when our economy was the biggest part of the world's economy in

>>neil: well, i have looked into there when it was the fdr years and it is seen as pro union, and the fact is, it was more pro worker, the idea of the board is that it wanted to stab a bridge early on, between the workers and the bosses and it was simply a way to protect labor, to protect the american worker, and somehow it has gone from protecting the american worker, he and she who labor, and now, to, she and he who are part of labor unions. this is a very big difference and and it was not the original edict. >>guest: i agree. it is far above and beyond what it was originally created to do. the national labor relations board, one of the dampening things for business, it has told the business owners around the country if you try to go to a union state we will control you. if you try to leave the union state we will sue it. thank god boeing they attacked because boeing had the ability to defend itself lou it was inconvenience. what about the millions of mom and pop businesses with 100 or 200 employees that are working this their communities trying to create went and trying to create c

they already have quote hundreds of thousands of dollars to spend on pro-union republicans in their state on up-ending what has become republican politics as usual. tomorrow the indiana house will debate stripping union rights. we expect a vote on the measure later this week. joining us tonight for the interview is the chairman of the lunchpail republicans, david fagan, the international union of operating engineers, thank you for being with us tonight. >> thank you, a pleasure to be here. >> can you tell me why you decided to form the lunchpail republicans and what you're hoping to accomplish? >> well, i was totally shocked when the republican leadership in the state of indiana said this was going to be their 2012 number one legislative priority. that was very, very disappointing. when you look around and you see the american society of civil engineers rated the infrastructure of the state of indiana as approximately a "d" this was their number one priority, i couldn't believe they would make this their number one priority. then the second part of it, as far as i was concerned, this was

even while the vote was still pending today, a breakaway group of pro union rights republicans, a groupun pro-union rights primary challengers against two republicans in the legislature, who are going along with the union-stripping plan. and if the prospects of protests including the nfl players association at the super bowl were not high-profile enough around this issue, well, then, republican governor mitch daniels is giving the republican party's official state of the union response tomorrow night. to put that much more of a spotlight on his state and how his union-busting agenda seems to be tearing apart both his state and his party. and meanwhile, as the republican candidates for president fight to out-gay -- out-gay each other, that would be a totally different thing, fight to out-antigay each other, with the mitt romney campaign, this campaign distributed when he ran for governor in massachusetts, with rick santorum pledging to not just oppose gay rights, as he always has, but to go back in time and annul people's existing marriages, same-sex marriages, if he's elected president,

even while the vote was still pending today, a breakaway group of pro union rights republicans, a groupalled the lunch pail republicans, announced plans to run pro-union rights primary challengers against two republicans in the legislature, who are going along with the union-stripping plan. and if the prospects of protests including the nfl players association at the super bowl were not high-profile enough around this issue, well, then, republican governor mitch daniels is giving the republican party's official state of the union response tomorrow night. to put that much more of a spotlight on his state and how his union-busting agenda seems to be tearing apart both his state and his party. and meanwhile, as the republican candidates for president fight to out-gay -- out-gay each other, that would be a totally different thing, fight to out-antigay each other, with the mitt romney campaign, this campaign distributed when he ran for governor in massachusetts, with rick santorum pledging to not just oppose gay rights, as he always has, but to go back in time and annul people's existing mar

plans to run pro-union rights primary challengers against two republicans in the legislature who areon stripping plan. if the prospect of protests, including the nfl players association at the super bowl were not high profile enough around this issue, well, then, republican governor mitch daniels is giving the republican party official state of the union response tomorrow night. it puts that much more of a spotlight on his state and how his union busting agenda seems to be tearing apart both his state and his party. and, meanwhile, as the republican candidates for president fight to outgay each other -- that would be a totally different thing -- fight to totally anti-gay fight each other, when he ran for governor in massachusetts with rick santorum pledging to go against gay rights, as he always had, and also gay marriage if he's elected president, mr. santorum also vowed to recloset the military by unrepaeling don't ask, don't tell. he pledged not just to overturning gay rights but not to cheat highways wives anymore as such a pledge earns him. with candidates, it turns out things d

>> it is just pro union. they have fought over the power struggle gince the nra under the administration. nra was deemed unconstitutional because it was a growth and expansion of federal powers. 1946, five million people went on strike and crippling the economy and that's when the act came in and limitted radical people at the head of unions that created a biggest booms of the last century. it is a power grab by the unions and what they do. but it is also -- if you are negotiating against them. don't get out and negotiate. you are crippling business, too. >> to wayne's point. membership is dwindling. 30 percent of the sector is unionized. unions love to see them up their membership. >> i continuing is getting so overbloin. the idea that one particular provision like this will squash job creation is ridiculous. it is only six percent. >> they would like to see more. unions are threatened . the idea of unions is a threatened idea. >> my point is, why should companies be afraid. if you are doing it the right way

pro union supporters want him recall for an attempt to stop collective bargaining. >>> back to some of the severe weather and crews will work long hours restoring power in western washington state after strong winter storms went through. workers have been on the job 16- hour shifts work on and off. more than 100,000 homes and businesses in the dark. as of yesterday morning. >>> meantime, the heavy snow turned into unwanted rain and flooding across the pacific northwest. the water saturated grounds finally gave way in one washington state community in dramatic fashion. neighbors say it happened in a matter of seconds. a river of mud rushing down a hillside in homes wiping out backyards until it was settled at the edge of a lake. >> i mean it came gushing down like a water fall when you saw it. it was pretty scary. >> amazing video of the water lines and gas lines that have been broken in some of the places. >>> and parts of new england this morning are buried in snow and this is what it looks like in new haven connecticut. the area received about a foot of snow on saturday. we weren't s

they poured money into the ads attacking pro union candidates and fought to keep his las vegas resortsunion. they are accompanied by armed guards even in a lawsuit with this employee. >> his health and politics makes security concerns understandable. during his union battles, someone vandalized his home writing dead jews in so many and during the construction of this casino, the worker's union apologized for a reading that saids should sheldon's wailing wall. he declined to speak and given more than $10 million to various national political campaigns mostly to republicans like gingrich, gush and sharon angle and donated to john kerry and harry reid. as for the donation to gingrich's pack, they said addleson hopes it will help his friend do well in the primary. las vegas, nevada. >> thank you. are you a baseball fan? can you put together a group of friends with a billion dollars? billion with a b. if so, you can join the frenzy to buy the los angeles dodgers. some of the big names already bidding. >>> one of baseball's most strd franchises is up for sale pitching to become the new owner

he has funded adds attacking pro union candidates and fought successfully to keep his las vegas resorts often accompanied by armed guards, even at this deposition. >> what kind of weapon is he carrying? >> you will have to ask him. >> reporter: during his union battles someone vandalized his home writing dead jews in soap. during the construction of this casino the culinary workers union apologized for a picket sign reading this is sheldon's wailing wall. he has given more than $10 million to various national political campaigns, mostly to republicans like gingrich, george w. bush and sharon angle. he has donated to john kerry, ted kennedy and harry reid. a close source says he hopes it will help his friend do well in the primary. >>> are you a baseball fan? can you put together a group of friends with a billion dollars? if so you can join the bidding frenzy to buy the los angeles dodgers. we'll tell you some of the big names already bidding next. and so is having a trusted assistant. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle...and go. you

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he is pro union and he's supported many ear marks when he was a member of congress.that want to see government be fiscally responsible, they won't put up with that. what michelle in contrast to that, she has stood up to washington as usual and stood up against the overwhelming spending in washington. she is a vong supporter, obviously, of the tea party. she brought 40,000 people to washington to fight against obama care. and while santorum lost his last election, she's been in washington fighting against big government spending. those are some key contrasts she has with mr. santorum and people as they begin to peel back the layers are starting to notice that. >> this is roy reid from the grio.com. one of the images that stands out for me of michele bachmann was her pouring water for the other candidates during one of the debates. the vote that's available to her is evangelical christians. iowa has never elected a woman statewide. how much do you feel that her being a woman is holding her back with the evangelical votes. >> i want to piggy back on that. this is alex w

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where the governor and i think the connecticut governor would be a great one to do it since he seems pro-union, and to come up with new rules if they were able to pull jobs from germany and japan and make it more inviting for all 50 states and not just the southeast. >> well, i think you're right, and i think he could do that, and there are those forces in labor that understand that. i also think it's a great morning when we can have joe scarborough outline romney's flip-flops and inconsistencies and endorse president obama's insourcing. >> that's one way to sum up the first block of the show. >> well, you're loving america this morning. >> i've got to say this -- it's not 7:00 yet. that's when things turn south. but i do have to say, though, talking about loving america and the economy. i cheer for the economy. it's so funny and, willie, we've talked about this, every time, you know, i've tweeted, hey, unemployment rate goes down to 8.6, great news, i get absolutely eviscerated from people. oh, you idiot, what are you doing? cheering for the president? no, i'm cheering for america. as a son o

unions. i do not think that any candidate could run on a platform that was pro-labor and do well. as soon as rick santorum started surging after iowa, it appeared the that would be a tactic used against him. during his time in pennsylvania, which has unions, he had a couple of pro-union votes. it appeared that would be a way to attack him there. you have mitt romney, rick perry, everyone campaigning against the decision to attack the move of a boeing plant. host: responding to the advertisement that we just aired -- host: again, the overall narrative is trying to draw a record between mitt romney, michael dukakis, and john kerry. guest: that would appear to be the case. it does seem to be unusual. but it is not something we have not seen before. i have seen advertisements attacking jon huntsman for speaking mandarin. as you know, he was the ambassador to china and is fluent in that language. i have seen advertisements criticizing him for speaking that language, implying that he would be too great of a friend to china. host: edgar, welcome to "washington journal." caller: i wanted t

i am pro union. i pray to god we can pass legislation in michigan. guest: i think the first caller had it right. what happens is they undercut workers' abilities to get decent wages and benefits. workers get lower wages and benefits -- $1,500 on average for union members. that is a big difference. the strategy is a race to the bottom. it is bad for individual workers and a failed economic strategy. that is to you're trying to compete with. that is a failed strategy. the right strategy is to invest in education and to invest in the middle class. when you undercut people's wages, there is no demand that the other businesses depend upon. that is what drives people to relocate their business. as far as the last caller, some states have that faster or slower. the evidence of right to work has no impact on these things. the state with the lowest unemployment is right to work. the state with the fastest and slowest growth, brighright to work. there's no evidence when you compare apples to apples. states m through z have had a faster growth than a through l.

cannot get things done by pro union policies in the u.s. congress because you all had the sense to kill it, so he tried to do it administratively with three unelected people in china stop blowing from coming from the west coast of south carolina. the obamacare legislation creates i don't know how many dozens and dozens of new agencies and programs. what we have seen is more spending, more governments solutions. 10 months away from an election. of course, i think we will try to see this to the middle to creep common-sense policies. everybody knows we have to do it. we are broke. $15 trillion in debt. over the last decade, the republicans have contributed to some of that debt. we did not exactly want the clock back. if you go from where we were when obama took office thomas $5 trillion additional debt in three years is unbelievable. more taxation, more unionization. these are the things the president has promoted. it is the opposite of what any to do to encourage the contract and your to take risk and grow -- borrow capital and create jobs. h

unions. i do not think that any candidate could run on a platform that was pro-labor and do well. soon as rick santorum started surging after iowa, it appeared the that would be a tactic used against him. during his time in pennsylvania, which has unions, he had a couple of pro-union votes. it appeared that would be a way to attack him there. you have mitt romney, rick perry, everyone campaigning against the decision to attack the move of a boeing plant. host: responding to the advertisement that we just aired -- host: again, the overall narrative is trying to draw a record between mitt romney, michael dukakis, and john kerry. guest: that would appear to be the case. it does seem to be unusual. but it is not something we have not seen before. i have seen advertisements attacking jon huntsman for speaking mandarin. as you know, he was the ambassador to china and is fluent in that language. i have seen advertisements criticizing him for speaking that language, implying that he would be too great of a friend to china. host: edgar, welcome to "washington journal." caller: i wanted to

you cannot have freedom for right to work in the pro-union. i pray to god we can best freedom to work legislation in michigan. caller: i want to respond to both scholars because i think the first caller -- to both callers, because i think the first caller had a right. study after study shows workers get dramatically lower wages and benefits -- $1,500 on average -- that is a big, big difference. and the strategy for rights to work is our race to the bottom, as the caller explained. the problem is not only is it bad for individual workers, but it is a totally failed economic strategy peeling -- strategy. it is a race to the bottom to china. that is a failed strategy. that is not going to work. the right strategy is investing in education, investing in the middle class. a strong middle class is what creates economic growth. when you are cutting wages, there is no demand in the economy that all the other businesses depend on. that is what drives people to locate their business. because there are consumers their. you do not have any real reason to

you are totally against scott walker and pro-union. your newspaper is not fair and balanced.ost: before we get a response, tell me a little bit about you? you have been watching throughout the caucuses and primaries so far. if the primary season extent, who would you be voting for? caller: for president? host: yes. caller: i will support whoever the nominee is. anyone but barack obama because he is president of the union of the united states. guest: my newspaper actually endorsed scott walker. but she does bring up a good point. i do not think i said scott walker is the reason or certainly not the sole reason that wisconsin is polarized. he is a polarizing figure and barack obama is a polarizing figure. if you ask republicans and democrats what they think of these people, you get a gap in perception and attitudes when it comes to whether they approve or when they view them favorably. a gap that is much bigger than what we have seen in the past. we are a polarized country and a polarized stake before scott walker came along or barack obama. george w. bush was the most polarizi

with santorum to begin with until i learned about his 'each according to his means 'test and his pro-union stance. i cannot support that. ii come as a william buckley conservative and it is fascinating that mitt romney is trying to tell people that he is pro-private market. this is a guy who has taken, according to "the boston globe," and 1991 bain bellsouth. this is a guy who's got tarp- funded payments in banks for goldman sachs bag in his campaign during this is not the free market. i find it troubling that some people think newt gingrich is volatile. he is the one that brought balanced budgets and worked with bill clinton. he is the one who gave as these tax cuts. it is his leadership the made that possible. this private market idea is unbelievable. host: inside the front page of " the new york times" loretta is joining us from tampa city, missouri. caller: good morning, i just want to say that nobody in the country is getting what ron paul is saying and that it is about freedom and the constitution. the other three they are trying to push on us, they don't talk about freedom. does thi

unions. i do not think that any candidate could run on a platform that was pro-labor and do well. as soon as rick santorum started surging after iowa, it appeared the that would be a tactic used against him. during his time in pennsylvania, which has unions, he had a couple of pro-union votes. it appeared that would be a way to attack him there. you have mitt romney, rick perry, everyone campaigning against the decision to attack the move of a boeing plant. host: responding to the advertisement that we just aired >> we are going to take you live now where rick santorum is holding a town hall meeting. he's just entering the restaurant. this is live coverage on c-span. >> thank you for your service to the country. >> thank you. >> how are you? >> you look very cute, susan. how are you? my pleasure. good to see you. great to be here. thank you for coming out. i like that sweater vest. that looks good. no double handshakes. >> thank you for coming to florence. >> twice in one week. >> i just signed up to help with your campaign. >> thank you very much. good to see you. good to be here.

an anti-union, pro israel. he thinks gingrich is the best guy to put forth his agenda in the white house. >> as we look over history this isn't the first time that adelson has tried to g fl influential. he gave money to dick armey and gingrich in 2010. why does he feel that gingrich is the person to back in super tuesday? >> adelson is a guy constantly trust trade with the establishment, whether it's here in nevada or nationally. 4th he did contribute a lot of money to freedom works but it's a personal relationship with newt gingrich and that $10 million that he and his wife gave started out with $5 million with to a guy eighth richest guy in america isn't a lot of money. i don't think he thought newt gingrich was going anywhere before south carolina. i think adelson looks like a genius now was really just helping a friend and now he looks like, wow, newt gingrich looks like he has a chance and now donated $5 million. i think he'll wait to see what happens in florida. i wouldn't be surprised to see more money c

you are totally against scott walker and pro-union. your newspaper is not fair and balanced.r: i will support whoever the nominee is. anyone but barack obama because he is president of the union of the united states. guest: my newspaper actually endorsed scott walker. but she does bring up a good point. i do not think i said scott walker is the reason or certainly not the sole reason that wisconsin is polarized. he is a polarizing figure and barack obama is a polarizing figure. if you ask republicans and democrats what they think of these people, you get a gap in perception and attitudes when it comes to whether they approve or when they view them favorably. a gap that is much bigger than what we have seen in the past. we are a polarized country and a polarized stake before scott walker came along or barack obama. george w. bush was the most polarizing president we had in recent times. that is all i mean by the word "polarizing." you can get into an interesting debate to what degree the state is further polarized as a result of scott walker and the battle over his policies. i

i'm getting ahead of myself with the patriots but the stars of super bowl sunday will be union members. every proplayer is a member of the association, a union that collectively bargains for better working conditions. it's also a bit of bad timing for them since indiana state government is controlled by republicans right now. here's why that's a problem. last year wisconsin's fight over republican stripping union rights in that state erupted right after the super bowl. which happened to be won by wisconsin's own green bay packers. guess who the heroes of that super bowl supported in that big fight. the nfl players association will always support efforts protecting a workers right to join a union and collectively bargain. today the nflpa stands organized with labor brothers and sisters in wisconsin. had to be embarrassing for wisconsin republicans, right? two of whom were later fired by the people of their home districts. thanks to recall elections. governor scott walker is facing the same possibility this year. with much less of the national fanfare, democrats did exactly the last thing as wiscon