to aloam to use the state dollars so we can mxmize what we bring in, but that doesn't proclude us from advocateing strongly for rate increases and some of that is aligning with the feds around the new federal block grant regulations and guidelines and tribeing to leverage that opportunity as well >> it is great to hear because as you know if it wasn't for the fact that the city has stepped up our efforts to support these organizations to continue to service it would probably close down and they are serving the lowest income children in the city. it is in our self interest therein city it make it happen because we [inaudible] >> we welcome support from the board and sure you laer from the providers. they are partners and it isn't us gaens them, we rin them together and supervisor i know you are very aware of and have been a great leader in this area so thank you. any other questions about the rates? i didn't bring up the infant rates because that would send you all off, but it is a even greater problem. so, examples of in term its of your question around population grouth and we are strug wlg those