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harvey proctor , do the public harvey proctor, do the public have a right to know about the behaviourehaviour of publicly funded celebrities . celebrities. >> first of all, i should say good evening to you both . good evening to you both. >> thank you for inviting me onto your program this evening . onto your program this evening. the second thing i should say is that i'm not in the united kingdom. i'm in spain, and i'm trying to follow the debate . but trying to follow the debate. but sometimes i lose some of your words. so i apologise if i don't follow it. exactly. precisely. but i hope you're hearing me . i but i hope you're hearing me. i think we could probably rationally divide the argument into two parts criminal morality and morality . into two parts criminal morality and morality. obe now, until into two parts criminal morality and morality . obe now, until the and morality. obe now, until the police statement saying there was no criminality involved , was no criminality involved, large chunks of the media for lack of evidence and lack of clarity, were trying to oust mr edward

he said he knew what to do.>> living up to the usps motto, proctor continued on his route to deliver the mail, never telling his bosses back in the office about what happened. patterson wouldn't let his heroism go unrecogn. re is a lettthjennifer talked about how she felt obligated to let his supervisors know about his heroic efforts.>> you are a he waawarded the postmaster ral heroes award, only to those who go above and beyond for customers.>> i just do my job. that's it. my mind-set is the same as it was before and after that day.>> i feel so blessed and so lucky. i call him my angel. my angel, forever.>> what a story.>> vallejo will soon have a street named after a renowned rapper who grew up in the city. [ music ] >> that's a good one, terry. >> you got to know this if you are in the bay area. earl stevens, better known as e- 40, he grew up on magazine street before shooting to international fame in the 90s. this is the 30th anniversary of his third studio album.>>> another incident of fans throwing things on stage going viral, but the performer is fighting back. rapper cardi b

harvey proctor , do the public harvey proctor, do the public have a right to know about the behaviour behaviour of publicly funded celebrities . celebrities. >> first of all, i should say good evening to you both . good evening to you both. >> thank you for inviting me onto your program this evening . onto your program this evening. the second thing i should say is that i'm not in the united kingdom. i'm in spain, and i'm trying to follow the debate . but trying to follow the debate. but sometimes i lose some of your words. so i apologise if i don't follow it. exactly. precisely. but i hope you're hearing me . i but i hope you're hearing me. i think we could probably rationally divide the argument into two parts criminal morality and morality . into two parts criminal morality and morality. obe now, until into two parts criminal morality and morality . obe now, until the and morality. obe now, until the police statement saying there was no criminality involved , was no criminality involved, large chunks of the media for lack of evidence and lack of clarity, were trying to oust mr edwa

mars onto palm tobacco international among the top partners. consumer goods represented by like the proctor and gamble on pepsi also did well, i did also in the deals with type 3 of how you doing died on several chinese bronze among the biggest money makers. that said, some of those companies have scaled back or suspended operations in russia since now, earlier i spoke to eli nicholas, he's the chief executive director of b for ukraine, which co authors that report. she's just back from brussels, where she was presenting the study to european regulators. i'd be gone by asking her what sources the research was based on. so for the she said she, much with the keeps going up economics, which has been checking company divestment from russia since the uptake of war and russia's invasion. they used companies own reports which were made in 2022 to the equivalent of rest of the company. house, and they showed the revenue generated by companies in russia. the profits made unimportant need the profit tax paid to the russian state. all right, but the companies named in this report would argue that the

i'll also be talking to harvey proctor, who of to of course was victim to malicious false accusations . in malicious false accusations. in other news. yes. would you house an asylum seeker in your own home? a think tank has come out and said that maybe you should to take the pressure off the government thoughts on that? and talking asylum seekers as talking of asylum seekers as well, we are going to go live to the scene of a welsh town where they now blockading a they are now blockading a migrant hotel. it is fascinating stuff there to see a community kind of rising up against what they see as a massive intrusion in their local area. and finally , yes, the bbc rich list has been revealed. see who tops the list. see who's fallen down it, see who's got the taxpayer funded it's all go funded pay rises. it's all go here. patrick christys . gb news. here. patrick christys. gb news. yes. get those comments coming in gbviews@gbnews.com strong views on either side of this, but do you think that the bbc star in question should nato name themselves gb views gbnews.com. also, of course . gbnews.

onto palm tobacco international among the top partners. consumer goods represented by the likes of proctor and gamble on pepsi also did well. i did ultimate deals with type 3 of how you doing today on several chinese brands among the biggest money makers. that said, some of those companies have scales back or suspended operations in russia since now, earlier i spoke to eli nicholas, he's the chief executive director of before ukraine, which co authors that report. she's us back from brussels, where she was presenting the study to european ragging classified as essential. what is your response to that? so let's choose at many of these cookies for unsanctioned searches. they all continued to pay taxes to a state, which is fundraising, international humanitarian. no, i'm just to patch tracing human rights to pieces on a dress scale right now at 95000 because it's work signs in ukraine. and these companies have obligations on the international human rights floor to check that they are doing no com, through their presence in russia. and if they are doing harm to mitigate against, that's in term

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on friday, proctor reported a quarter that was quite frankly remarkable. the company is a house of ingenuity with the tremendous balance sheet and the ability to create and develop new ideas that occur better than it's current day products. regiment extending, they say, while top-down strategists are thinking about how an economy might by -- be guided by great strikes the people it procter & gamble have had half the company's profits wiped out yet the company was still able to grow its operating margin by 310 basis point putting up sales growth. and returning to shareholders via dividends. [indiscernible] maintain prices at high levels. only three times in the past 50 one quarters have proctor had to cutcosts when prices came down. they can blow off keeping prices higher for you at the supermarket thanks to an aging brand market in the power of innovation. you don't mind because you like what you get but here is what is important. procter & gamble is not an outlier so j.p. morgan and wells fargo are not going to put up blockbuster numbers this quarter, som

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that is not a huge underperformer but proctor & gamble, colgate are. look, also those names if i were 25 years old they're probably not names i would look at but i'm not. so therefore it makes sense for me as i'm looking for the shift in the, in this total market where i want to put new money. those are plays i will put them. they are big megacap names. in the consumer staples industry and they are food dividend-payers. that is where i put it. charles: good stuff as usually, kenny. coming up brian belski, you know has been bullish for a long time. he is no longer the top bull. i can't wait to see what he will say about that. he is in the studio at 2:40. first the old reliable names we were talking about they have done pretty well but we'll go deeper into this earnings season and pick out specific winners with keith fitz-gerald and scott martin. get your pen and pad and get ready to make some money. ♪. this is american infrastructure. megawatts of power, rails and open road, and essential services of every kind. all running on countless invisible networ

my dad hopped around working for proctor and gamble. we came out to california. california -- i know it sounds like a cliche -- it was like a dream. it was this golden place. there were palm trees, i had never seen a palm tree. ronald reagan was governor. i knew growing up with a certainty to the core of my soul, i could do and be whatever i wanted to be. so far, i have had a chance to do that, but not everybody does. i hire young lawyers, they work for me at my law firm. they will have $200,000 in debt. they start life with bills around her neck. that is not what it is supposed to be. i think we can come back. what made america great is not completely dead. i think there is a beating heart there, i think we can do it but it is not for sure and it is going to be hard work. what happened between your childhood, ronald reagan's governorship and today in your view? >> what i talk about in the fall and rise of america, i was there at the pinnacle of american power, both in time and place. the time and place was a place called hopper up a teeny outside of saudi arabia

john proctor's wife, who had a book in her pocket at all times. people who were overly intelligent or seemed overly intuitive were very often accused. among the women, it is very often people who -- female relatives had earlier been accused or who had themselves been accused. among the men, it is hit or miss. it is not white so scientific seeming among the men. yes, men and women are both accused. the only thing -- mothers accused daughters, daughters accused grandmothers. the accusations go in all kinds of ways. the only familiar relationship i think is not compromised his fathers and sons, never seemed to accuse each other. husbands very often will save their widespread i always suspected she was a witch. host: executions, 14 women, five men and two dogs. why dogs? stacy: they were understood to be diabolical accomplices. afterward, --'s father said the dog could not be an accomplice because he would not have died when they shot him. there are a lot of questions about this. host: walter. ohio. hi, walter. walter? caller: wonderful program. ms. s

she took the phone and there was no contact for 5 months, we didn't know what happened to him, the proctorery serious we will deal with it don't worry, it's coming home there well, i said i won't go home until, uh, she returns it all to me and she will beat me. she really was him and she was afraid, she somehow lost control of herself after hearing such a hole, since then, grandma and grandpa spoke to him only once a day his birth is not very good. he is, if i could tell you, he is so irritated. well, he is nervous. his emotional state is so bad. the fact that he does not see us is to take us to shumskoe in ukraine. they cannot, they are not the official guardians of my grandson. they can issue this status now. then confirm it in it is difficult for germany, but it is possible, for this we need a certificate from the ukrainian consulate in dusseldorf, which would clearly state why andriy does not live with his mother, if we receive such an answer, then we have the opportunity, er , we have grounds to apply to the court at the place of our residence, here with a request to give us the statu

order of 16 to 16 when he put on the 7 mistakes of the page firewall make these and to keys are in proctor i mentioned by the not actually i'm sorry to go to misses miss. be not actually, and i do have a great feeling for many folks in the world and be guarding them. we can then send them by hon. partners to these things all kinds of days. but that it isn't money to buy that. it isn't escalated into part of the country audit the product better, but i would like to mention one thing to you. this is a guy and i think the big happens every 40 years was in india. it is happening from last before. yes. okay. last time we had an issue of c and but that's my good. there was a big one crime in the country. but. busy they yeah, and they wanted to be free and india by doing this in the gap, there was a deal the country knew very no. the crow grown up in the northeast, northeast it's money, but money for state is by me. that's horrible. i mean, what is some of the sticks of it for about 16 districts. okay. all right, we have done. go ahead. yeah, don't let me, let me finish. yes, but the quickly play

here utrecht you saw took you have be quite a vocal supporter for palestine in the international proctor at the international platforms and also organized international it ada coin, voice force, particularly the season, the guys that they want to buy territories and west bank as well as the quite critical voice against is rallies, you need all supplements as well, correct? don't jump on this dns. it has been could really, i guess the upper on that quote from all these movements, all these positions were well come to by the palestinians. so i also took, it has been quite an, a bold actor in terms of the mediation of force to bring both leaders from how much the policy you look forward to, to, to create, to, to have a kind of unity government as well. and today, some of the people who are familiar with the issues, some of the sole source telling us that not one color is trying to step up. it's a force that the direction and we are expecting tonight's the posting and leave their mom with a bus to meet some of the senior. how much leaders, including his mind, honey, at the head of that parti

it comes as russia's foreign ministry, issued a report on the proctor for many years, the gave us to ortiz, have been actively pursuing the course in ukraine, so eliminate the can only call you quite an orthodox church. discriminate against this clergy and persecute, clergyman and believers for this purpose, the country's legislative system is being built. the actions of various law enforcement agencies. so being guided the $46.00 page long report outlines all the a part of the incidents of kids authorities persecuting members of the printing orthodox church, which started a year is before the conflict directed in 2022. the findings detail, the passing of discriminatory bills. the mountains to switch religions on ortho rise, searches in monasteries as well as the seizure of churches. well earlier this year t evidence pods to transfer you something. he of pictures to my brother, the oldest smallest dream modern ukraine to the separate. he had backed orthodox church of you probably know that's this might be you printing orthodox church having formerly separate its ancient ties to mosco

and the stock of the day right now, driving a lot of the dow's gains, a lot of the outperformance proctor and gamble, up 2%. p&g comes out with profits and revenues that top analyst expectations driven by its ability to raise prices and pass that on to distributors and ultimately consumers that brand power powering p&g, even though the full-year revenue forecast came in shy of estimates, still up 2.5% p&g, your stock of the day >> dom chu, thank you. >>> june pte increasing by just 0.2%, while core pce rose 4.1% so further signs that inflation is cooling jo joining me now are my two guests good afternoon to both of you. greg, i'll put that question to you, soft landing still on the table here >> i think it's very much on the table after this week's data we have evidence that the economy did relatively well in the second quarter gdp growth was higher than expected we have consume thaers that arel spending, and headline core inflation and wage growth all moving in the right direction. so overall, the pathway to a soft landing is very much possible there are, of course, headwinds in terms of

these are the kraft, general mills, proctor gamble, lever. their prices have skyrocketed, not gone down. >> he nots at his grocery store here that in people's carts, you have the generic brands. even with those adjustments, americans are paying more and they feel it. >> i'm apprehensive about what i select. i'll compromise and not get the extra. >> it feels like high prices are still here. definitely. >> so one of the adjustments that morton williams has made with the substitution is not just brands but actual product. in their meat section, only about a third of that aisle is red meat. the majority is poultry. it's much more affordable. and he says that's what people are checking out. it helps them feed their family, get them protein but at the affordable price. back to you, neil. >> thanks, madison. following all the inflation front. as we indicated at the beginning here, it's been going down for 12 months. remember when it was running 9.1% annual clip? that wasn't many months ago. now running about a third that today. we're a long way from

we own a little it about proctor & gamble but let's face it they will not make the most exciting barular. liz: what about the bond market? is there a signal that you look at that it might be sending at the moment? >> we do look at signals like that. we do see the bond market starting to base out here. i think fed chair powell is done. i think he has done his work. maybe pop us one more time with one more rate increase but the fed is just about done their work. so the on bond market side i think there will be opportunities later in the year but into 2024. i would stay away from bonds. i would look at what is working which is tech. liz: you i have found operate the bar c ranch. vance, with your accent i could have figured that. that's understandable but it specializes in registered longhorn cattle. tell me about the beef market. how is this going? because it almost feels like some of the plant-based meat that was very hot over the past couple years is scaling back a bit and it's not so much the trend at the moment? >> i don't think i want to eat plant-based meat but you know, i like a

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of it i think universities particularly at stanford many of the people i spoke to talked about the proctor scandal be being a huge turning point, preserving its image and looking into student life and what students were doing and how they could be more involved in data. and so i don't necessarily have solutions. passengers i often look at the problem but i do think that risk is a huge part of it. when something is not under the control of university it is inherently -- >> a question here in front. >> thank you. no, chief operating operator of an insurer, captive insurer in higher education space but i'm a former university vice president, one of me which left the field as i think about this and i appreciate dr. mcguire your remark regarding the role on curious about your role of faculties that administers content and cooper faculty articulate faculty and trustees have control of the institutions but entries rather than focus on administrators i'm curious about your perspective of the role of faculty, faculty tenured. >> thank you for a question forn shared governance is an important princi

i'll be joined by former bbc producer john mayer and the ex—mp harvey proctor, whose own life was turnedhe welsh town of langley mount a valiant fight back against an asylum hostel, taking over their beloved local hotel , is the government tearing hotel, is the government tearing communities apart by failing to deal with the migrant crisis ? deal with the migrant crisis? we'll be tackling that in the media buzz by the way, the government and rishi sunak not backing down in their attempts to get the rwanda legislation off the ground. we'll react to that, too. and finally, after agreeing to public sector pay rises of at least 6, has rishi sunak rolled over to the trade unions ? former tory minister sunak rolled over to the trade unions ? f0|analysis' minister ' sunak rolled over to the trade unions ? f0|analysis .�*ninister sunak rolled over to the trade unions ? f0|analysis . this.ter sunak rolled over to the trade unions ? f0|analysis . this from w unmissable analysis. this from the esteemed bbc journalist tom bower and the former editor of the paper at the very heart of this story, the

people like harvey proctor exactly . which certainly proctor exactly. which certainly wasn't true.newsnight had out. i think lord had to pay out. i think lord mcalpine, former treasurer mcalpine, the former treasurer of party, they of the conservative party, they didn't name him in any of the broadcasting they issued, broadcasting that they issued, but by process of elimination. >> exactly. >> exactly. so. >> exactly. so. and >> exactly. so. and given >> exactly. so. so. and given that history of the police and the bbc, there is clearly see they want to get it. absolutely right. but of course, the family have decided to or the parents of this individual decided that after a complaint to the after making a complaint to the bbc, things hadn't moved quickly enough things hadn't enough. things hadn't progressed. they progressed. they claim that they were phone to an for were on the phone to an hour for the bbc talking about the issue and care their child. and the care for their child. but thing is, we're talking but the thing is, we're talking about 20 year old person here. about a 20

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some people want to take me back to a decision in 1967 at the supreme court involving a proctor and gambley was outlined. give us more sense as to what that means when you say should not entrench or extend a dominant position. >> there is long-standing case law that seeks to ensure that mergers are not being used to entrench dominance in ways that are basically maintaining a monopoly or creating a market where other firms also have to significantly grow in order to be able to compete. you will see in the document, there is significant citations to case law that really layout what some of those legal tests and legal analysis look like, so we will be faithful to the case law in the books. >> another one that i noted here, a merger when it's a part of series of acquisitions, the agencies may examine the whole series. that seems to apply to private equity which can roll up companies and then combine them. what is your view on that and how aggressive will you be in reviewing transactions that, in the past, did not get a second request, let alone an objection from the ftc? >> these guidelines ar

former conservative mp harvey proctor joins me now. harvey, you very much.ld we have fewer idiots we paid mps fewer idiots as we have paid mps more since 1997? >> mps salaries has doubled. i don't think the effectiveness of members of parliament have doubled in the same period . doubled in the same period. >> no, that's incredibly true actually. so is there an amount of money that might stop people who have got big brains and would be very effective? mps stop them from going and working in the city or setting up their own business, whatever they want to do that would drive them towards parliament. is there an amount of money, do you think ? amount of money, do you think? >> let me go back to when i was first elected in 1979. i took a cut in my salary to do the job of being a member of parliament and it is an honourable position in i. i've considered this very carefully since i heard the absurd remarks by the former cabinet minister. i actually think the reverse probably mps salary should be reduced . but in salary should be reduced. but in any event , in sal

my friend, steve proctor, he worked at the sun together.e managing editor at the "san francisco chronicle." he pointed up the he hill and said craig lives up there. and i said who is craig newmar? you don't know. he's the guy who has taken $50 million out in the newspapers in the ad for the last five years. that's great. and the guy doesn't even charge for it. there was a building, maybe the whole journalism department at columbia is named after him. if he hadn't done it, someone else would have. but this -- with the click of a mouse you can list or sell anything in the country for free, that crippled newspapers. host: what's the news business model? technology is not going away. guest: there are different models being developed. one of them is the partisan model. that's one business model. that was roger's big idea. fox says, fox news, i think they are in this building here, they famously said when they started we are going to be fair and balanced. what they meant really was, i don't go around bashing them, they are going to be fair becaus

people are cliff richard, paul, gambaccini, etcetera, people , gambaccini, etcetera, people, harvey proctorheadlines is that those who are accused should not be named. and at the very least, until they've been charged and then only when a judge says yes , you can name judge says yes, you can name them, they always say that other evidence will come forward. you know , you have to name these know, you have to name these people. other people people. so other people will come of the come forward that most of the time that is actually not even relevant. it is just relevant. so it is just grotesque isn't just the grotesque and it isn't just the people the headlines like people in the headlines like spacey me or whoever. it is spacey or me or whoever. it is ordinary day by day, you ordinary people, day by day, you know, headmasters, bank managers, and they may managers, etcetera. and they may not in the national press, not be in the national press, but are destroyed but their lives are destroyed locally and it's got to stop. >> and matthew, one of the issues here is hollywood, because hollywood im

people are cliff richard, paul, gambaccini, etcetera, people , gambaccini, etcetera, people, harvey proctorheadlines is that those who are accused should not be named. and at the very least, until they've been charged and then only when a judge says yes , you can name judge says yes, you can name them, they always say that other evidence will come forward. you know , you have to name these know, you have to name these people. other people people. so other people will come of the come forward that most of the time that is actually not even relevant. it is just relevant. so it is just grotesque isn't just the grotesque and it isn't just the people the headlines like people in the headlines like spacey me or whoever. it is spacey or me or whoever. it is ordinary day by day, you ordinary people, day by day, you know, headmasters, bank managers, and they may managers, etcetera. and they may not in the national press, not be in the national press, but are destroyed but their lives are destroyed locally and it's got to stop. >> and matthew, one of the issues here is hollywood, because hollywood im

. >> i spoke to harvey proctor tonight, who's a former tory mp who the day after his home was raidedompletely false allegations as allegations by a guy known as carl called carl beech. carl beech, called carl beech. and said that it and he said tonight that it ruined his life that this ruined his life and that this should repeated because should never be repeated because people think there's no smoke without they're without fire, even if they're innocent. and i think i think belinda, we've got a mother here who by her story. who stands by her story. >> got a sun newspaper, >> we've got a sun newspaper, one the sophisticated one of the most sophisticated journalists outfits the journalists outfits in the world. lawyers. world. they've got lawyers. they'll their due they'll have done their due diligence. there's no way that they go live with this they would go live with this kind expose massive if kind of expose massive story if they hadn't done their homework. >> also, i can't see any motivation other than a parent caring for their child to have called the bbc with this accusation . o

ins and other issues that went on with lord bramall, with sir leon brittan, with my friend harvey proctore then accused of all sorts of horrendous crimes and none of it was true. >> it makes people are traumatised. >> and this was and this was how this sort of chain then reacted. so i do think you know, i'm not going to question the person's integrity or the parents integrity. i don't know what happened. none of us do. but i think the bbc now have to really step up. and i think, as you say, the name of the person is apparently in the public domain . we don't know whether they are guilty or they're innocent. but this needs to be dealt with and deau this needs to be dealt with and dealt with very quickly. >> well, let's take a look at this new development. as i've just revealed, a breaking news story from the newspaper for story from the sun newspaper for the presenter the suspended presenter allegedly broke lockdown rules in february 2021 to visit a 23 year old stranger who he also met through an online dating site. the young person told the sun he came round for an hour. i was quite shock

. >> and it's a similar point actually to what harvey proctor said to me about this time yesterday, whichthat in his case as well, when he came forward and did a press conference and when you resigned and obviously very different matters there. but when you resigned as well, matters there. but when you resigned as well , fundamentally resigned as well, fundamentally for both of you, there was nothing else that could have really come out and i wonder whether or not this is part of the problem that we're seeing at the problem that we're seeing at the moment with a lack of interaction potentially. of course, now, i was glued to the house of commons earlier for what actually turned out to be yet terrible instalment yet another terrible instalment of question of prime minister's question time. i mean, tend do time. i mean, i tend to do a feature on this show called we are being run by idiots. and actually just play you actually i could just play you an hour that, for goodness an hour of that, for goodness sake, no. no mp used sake, but no. mp no mp used parliamentary privilege to name this ind

my friend, steve proctor, he worked at the sun together. he was the managing editor at the "san francisco chronicle." he pointed up the he hill and said craig lives up there. and i said who is craig newmar? you don't know. he's the guy who has taken $50 million out in the newspapers in the ad for the last five years. that's great. and the guy doesn't even charge for it. there was a building, maybe the whole journalism department at columbia is named after him. if he hadn't done it, someone else would have. but this -- with the click of a mouse you can list or sell anything in the country for free, that crippled newspapers. host: what's the news business model? technology is not going away. guest: there are different models being developed. one of them is the partisan model. that's one business model. that was roger's big idea. fox says, fox news, i think they are in this building here, they famously said when they started we are going to be fair and balanced. what they meant really was, i don't go around bashing them, they are going to be f