prof. kline: about 32 states midwifes,professional but the rest don't. the extent to which, even if they are recognized, midwives often have trouble getting malpractice insurance, hospital privileges, getting their foot in the door to work with obstetricians. it is really a mess and it helps explain why birth is in such a bad state here if you compare it to, for example, the u.k. this is different model and more effective. >> has the american medical association weighed in on this recently? prof. kline: the american college of obstetricians, they have weighed in on the homebirth issued to say it is too risky and we don't support it. historically, they fought midwives, but there has been a lot of collaborative efforts to try and increase collaboration and understanding. >> your presentation here at sacramento is what? prof. kline: the title is when legal mechanisms fail, medicine, midwifery and the law in california. >> any surprising questions during this conference? panel was thise morning, and i was struck by how the three of us on the panel were grappling with similar issues about reproductive rights and choice. and accessibility to reproductive health care, even though we were all taking differen