at what point do you think we will begin to see a fairly good downward projek tree on employment, by november of next year, as we know is an election date, do you see unemployment below 9%? how much below? >> you need growth for americans to get back to work. faster growth than in the first half of this year. there's no reason that should not the happen as long as congress lifts this fear as a default crisis. >> so you see unemployment with an eight in front of it instead of a nine? >> depends on how fast the economy grows. it's going to take time for us to get the unemployment rate down, but with stronger growth, the unemployment will start to come down again. >> somewhere in the 8% range by-election time? >> you cannot know. depends on the choices congress makes. >> thank you, tim geithner, appreciate you being here. >>> what will it take to get a deal? that's next. hey can i play with the toys ? sure, but let me get a little information first. for broccoli, say one. for toys, say two. toys ! the system can't process your response at this time. what ? please call back between 8 and