that it is physical yim possible to truly underground these boxes in a way that doesn't cause a protrution, in other words, if you underground them you'll still have some sort of air conditioning unit, that would protrude three feet instead of four feet. according to at&t it's physical yim possible to have a flush undergrounding -- physically impossible to have a flush undergrounding. they also state that private property is not workable because as a phone company they need 24/7 access and quick access if there's a problem with the phone line. so again if we assume that that is true. and then finally, if we assume that no other carrier would have the resources to be able to enter the market and do this kind of project, in other words, if we had certainty that this would be the end in terms of the major box projects in the city, so if all those things were true, and i understand that you may dispute some or all of them, would an e.i.r. still be required? >> yes. and i appreciate the question and i will accept it's true, the three facts that are we actually don't believe are true. just for p