the virus showed us in provincetown just how transmissible and contagious it is. >> the fact that itcinated folks was very alarming to us. >> reporter: 33-year-old johnny shaginone from vermont, fully vaccinated, hoping for a fun weekend with friends. >> partying like it's 2019, pretending like the pandemic never happened. which a lot of us, we've been through a lot this past year and a half, so i think when you're on vacation, that's kind like what you want. you want normalcy. you don't want to be thinking about covid. >> reporter: on his way home, johnny started to feel sick. he got a positive test, then came down with classic covid symptoms. >> there were some places that were checking vaccination cards, but in retrospect, that wasn't really going to protect us. because covid was -- the delta variant was spreading amongst vaccinated people. >> reporter: the fact this outbreak happened in massachusetts, a state with one of the highest vaccination rates in the country, surprised health officials. >> many people, myself included, know someone or more than one person who has tested po

— provincetown feel? i think that a mixed reactions. _ provincetown feel?nd say, look, we need to shut down again, we need to shut down again, we need to shut down again, we need to put mask mandates back in, and others who are saying, look, there is never going to be an all clear. this virus is going to go on for some time, especially given the amount of unvaccinated people in the us, and we need to learn to live with it, and may be the best way to live with it is to require that people be vaccinated to go into certain places, because the nation's top infectious disease specialist, anthony fauci, said today, if you are vaccinated you are 25 times less likely to end up in the hospital or die from coronavirus, even with this new delta variant. jeremy hobson, joining _ this new delta variant. jeremy hobson, joining us _ this new delta variant. jeremy hobson, joining us from - hobson, joining us from provincetown, massachusetts, thanks forjoining us. let's get some of the day's other news. palestinian families facing eviction from their homes in neighbourhood

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one of the things that we learned in the outbreak in provincetown is that if you are fully vaccinated you happened to get an infection, that you did have a large amount of virus, similar to e many people who are on vaccinated who got infected. but i think the lesson learned here is how well the town did in the context of an immense amount of exposure and high rates of vaccination. 75% of people in provincetown in that county are vaccinated. there are about 60,000 people who come to provincetown each week, so that is about 240,000 people who were potentially advising during this period of time. i think it is quite remarkable, the number of cases we had, hello that was, and even more remarkable was how well those people that even with all of those cases, only seven hospitalizations. laura: are you worried that you may have undermine public confidence in the vaccines by saying that fully vaccinated people now have to wear masks indoors in areas of high tranission? dr. walensky: first of all, the most important message here is to get vaccinated, and the reason to get vaccinated is to prev

. 95% of the people in provincetown are vaccinated. so of course most of the cases are going to be vaccinated. it was only 1,000 cases out of 60,000 people and only seven ended up in the hospital. they were extremely mild. in other words, if all you have is vaccinated people in an area, then the cases you see are going to be vaccinated but much, much less because the vaccine is working. there is no evidence that if you are vaccinated that you are spreading this asymptomatically. if you are not, then you really don't need to wear the mask other than to protect the unvaccinated. >> you do here in the debate out there the word flip-flop. there are comparisons made to things that the medical professionals advised the americans people months ago about mask wearing and vaccines dr. siegel. this is a long twitter thread that has gone viral. he lists what he is calling fauci's flip-flops. he originally said masks weren't affected now vaccinated people are urged to wear masks. less than a month ago fauci said the cdc wouldn't change its masking

so if the people in provincetown who got a mild case of covid hadn't been vaccinated, it would have beenn lots and lots of people with very serious illnesses. lots of people hospitalized and, unfortunately, people would have died. because of the vaccine, much fewer number of people got covid. much fewer number of people got a serious case. and thankfully, people like you and -- and many, many, many others, in fact, the majority of people, didn't get covid, at all. so, this is evidence that the vaccine works. we need more people to take it. >> yeah. i appreciate you saying that. i just want to admonish my -- my gay brothers out there, who go to events like in, you know, provincetown and puerto vallarta and elsewhere. please, be vaccinated. please, protect yourself, please protect the rest of your community. get vaccinated. with regards to protection, though, the shift on masking, in terms of wearing a mask, even if you are vaccinated, what do you make of that? especially, with more venues, like disney world and disneyland saying they want everybody wearing masks indoors, whether you're va

i want to talk to him about his experience in provincetown.dia miss about provincetown? >> almost everything. it's extremely normal right now. something like 3% positivity. what happened is that in two weeks we had 60,000 people descend after a year of not partying at all on a tiny town with 900 year-round mailing addresss and overwhelm the place at a time when it was cold and rainy, so everyone was crammed inside. it was like a designed stress test for seeing whether it could break through. the truth is, the end result with that was seven people ended up in the hospital after 60,000 people and no one died. there were some people who got a little sick, friends of mine, like my next-door neighbor, but it was like a little cold, a mild few days' flu. it was not a big story. this amazing story of all the gays coming to this little town and exploding the virus, it was just too good a story for journalists to resist. the result has been this town has been shellacked, absolutely knocked sideways. people have kcanceled in ways that are irrational and

reporter: the cdc revealing a pivotal discovery behind that recommendation was an outbreak in provincetown, massachusetts. more than 900 people infected. three-quarters of them fully vaccinated. the town now under a strict dok mandatans in t nr te, k,an in addition to vaccination, but i think our path out of this in the long term is vaccination. >> reporter: and there is positive momentum in the race to vaccinate. the white house noting four straight days of at least 700,000 doses. some of america's unvaccinated now rethinking their decision from a hospital bed. 39-year-old michael freedy, a father of five, dying this week in las vegas after texting his fiancee, i should have gotten the damn vaccine. >> a small fever. sick for a day is better than having your loved ones have to bury you. >> heartbreaking what so many families are still going through. trevor ault with us from a hospital here in new york. with cases and hospitalizations rising, there's been increasing questions about the need for booster shots. many health experts say right now they are not needed, but you're learning some b

in provincetown, massachusetts well, there are cases that represent a whopping 74% of new infections., this needs to be studied and investigated.4% in other words, nearly 500 cases, really 74% of them fully vaccinated people. o okay, why?00 why there? is that something that will happen elsewhere? hysteria for profit as the biden administration really was accusing people, nbc and reliable outliers and the media mob but facts and honest perspective so you can hopefully make the best decision for yourself who won't play doctor on tv or on my radio show. one thing is certain, they did tell you if you got vaccinated your life will return to normal. tonight, we are rightly asking how bad will this potentially get? we do need and we deserve truthful answers. they have been wrong too often throughout this entire pandemic. doctor. dr. fauci needs to be fired. he's been wrong too often. we have given him the benefit of the doubt as much as we could and guess what, he has proven to flip and flop and change his mind by the second. he's not even on the front line of the covid fight. all he is doin

a woman who escaped the wilds of new york city for vacation in provincetown, was forced to fend off ane coyotes. >> she was armed with a stick. two fishermen heard her cries and raced ashore, scaring the wild animal and bringing the woman to safety. you don't see that every day. >> n> nexttoheanith the world't telling everybody's secrets. 31-year-old tiktok sta samantha ramsey was recently confirmed by guinness world records to have the world'sargest mouth gap >> i did see this. she said embracing her unlikely feature was difficult at first. she was bullied at a child. now, she is embracing it. >> she has amassed a massive 1.7 million tiktok followers who tune in to watch various clips of her eating. i did see a clip of her the mouth.day just opening her - yeah. that's a wide mouth. >> the one i saw, an apple. she put a whole apple. >> yikes. >> my mom said i had a smart mouth. >>> next, to the world's highest bungee jump. >> "wait, what?" >> straddled between two cliffs bridge are being offered the world's highest bungee jump from a foot bridge, 853 feet, mona. >> if the glass bridge

then, you have provincetown. 165 million americans vaccinated and .05 breakthrough cases, very low. provincetown to me needs to be studied, how does happen that nearly 500 cases and 74% of those cases were breakthroughle cases, people fully vaccinated, even though the hospitalization rate was very low and the death rate was very low, it still concerns me. and i think it concerns a lot of americans. >> absolutely. unfortunately we don't have all the answers i because of right are being asked. why were these individuals tested to come up with asymptomatic or were they asymptomatic? just identifying obsolete -- fought off because they were vaccinated? with the delta variant we are seeing more breakthrough cases meaning that people who have been fully vaccinated or recovered from infection are developing some illness. they may be able to give it to someone else as well but thankfully it turns out that it's really turning into what seems like a summer cold. but that should not lead to any hesitancy. think of what we've been dealing with the flu vaccine. the flu vaccine has an effectivene

then you have provincetown. have millions of americans vaccinated, .75 breakthrough cases, very low but provincetown to me needs to be studied. how did i happen that nearly 500 cases and 74% of those cases were breakthrough cases, people fully vaccinated even though the hospitalization rate, very low, death rate, very low, it still concerns me and i think it is concerning a lot of americans. >> absolutely and unfortunately we don't have all the answers because the right questions are not being asked. why were they tested? were they all asymptomatic? were we just identifying obsolete viral particles in people who have fought off the virus because they were vaccinated? we know at this point that with the delta variant we are seeing more breakthrough cases, meaning that people who have been fully vaccinated or recovered from infection are developing some illness. they may be able to give it to someone else as well but thankfully, it turns out this is really turning into what seems like a summer cold. but that shoul

again, i'd like to remind everybody the situation in provincetown was mostly a highly vaccinated communityre going to see more cases in fully vaccinated people. it was also in the context of an event that had a situation that were very conducive to transmission. a lot of people indoors together from outside the community as well as from within the community in packed bars and so forth. those, regardless of vaccination status, are conditions conducive to transmission. >> yes. >> but the take-home message should be if you are vaccinated, you still are very, very protected against the disease. >> i'm glad you're putting it so clearly. it's one of the reasons i wanted you on the show tonight. there's been a lot of problems with messaging from the cdc. you say forget the contradictory science. was it a mistake to tell people to unmask when delta was nowhere near herd immunity? >> i completely agree with that. i do think it was a mistake. i think it was very premature, and many of my colleagues agree with that. i think the problem with the guidance in may is that it's scientifically correct. it'

and we know from the outbreak in provincetown where people who were vaccinated got these breakthroughre are the latest numbers about that. we're closing in on almost a thousand people who were infected from that epidemic in, from that outbreak in provincetown. most of them were vaccinated. of those 7 hospitalizations, 0 deaths. so what is happening-- (applause). >> stephen: so less than one h en >> ex breakthroughs, it doesn't work, this is proof that it work, most people getting the break through infectionh so get seriously ill, there are a relatively small number of death, most people do quite well. so these vaccines work it is just not even up for debate. >> stephen: the cdc has recommended a third dose, a booster for the immunocompromised, i think the very he would lear-- elderly at this point. i'm not entirely sure. when for the rest of us, when am i ifing to go in or should i be going in now to cbs and going give me a shot, just give me a shot. is that coming? >> i can give you some news because the fda just texted me right before i came on. and they said that pfizer has actuall

think we got thrown a curveball because of the delta variant and of the new data that shows in provincetown, massachusetts, that even if you're vaccinated, you can transmit. and i think a lot of people took a deep breath and said oh, my god, what does this mean? the news you show today from a axios and others is that breakthrough cases are still very rare. and if you get breakthrough cases when you're vaccinated, you're not going to get nearly as sick. you're not going to die. schools will be open. they need to be open. we need to make sure that they are safe and healthy. and i am on -- we've launched our $5 million campaign to do back-to-school for all. so let's just be really clear about that. >> that's encouraging. >> the second question -- yeah. >> the thing about masks, right -- >> the second question -- >> not to interrupt, but to your point, the data for the vaccinated, they're very safe from hospitalization and death. the reason for masks is that the vaccinated can still spread this, right? >> exactly. >> that's why i imagine you see the benefit of students masking going forward, as

it says that at an event in provincetown, massachusetts this month.bout 900 people got infected about 75% of them had already been vaccinated. but the vaccination is the best protection against this variant and new research shows the delta spreads very easily an infected person carries 1000 times more. delta variant virus than the original coronavirus of last year and its as contagious as chicken pox. one. someone has it and it moves fast. it's more transmissible than the common cold seasonal flu smallpox, mers, sars, even a bola. if you're not vaccinated. >> the virus can goal to get intact and can cause. >> substantial as doctor waleed javaid is the director of infection, prevention and control. >> at mount sinai. he says the delta variant strength is why it's vital for people to get the coronavirus vaccine vaccinated. you have much higher chance of surviving de and staying healthy. >> or all. and the provincetown case proves that it's been closely monitored with no deaths out of 900 cases and only mild symptoms because most people were vaccinated s

that's what we learned from provincetown. but you are protected against the thing that people are really worried about, being in the hospital, getting in the icu, or dying of this disease. these vaccines are working. please, people, don't make a mistake here in mixing up the news of the last week to think that somehow our vaccines are not successful. they are incredibly effective and safe. >> you just have to take them. one thing that's concerning so many of us that are vaccinated, people in our family, our kids, under teenage of 12. when do you think those kids will start being able to get vaccinated. we want them to, safely. >> well, both pfizer and moderna started their trials on kids under age 12 back in march, but you need to have safety data over several months before you can make a adjustment. so that data is probably going to be in hand by september, but then the fda will need to review it. so some time in the late fall/winter is probably what we're talking about. i know that's not the answer people want. but for kids

and — why covid infections rise in the american tourist destination provincetown, despite the high rate

most of our attitudes with delta was really last thursday because of the outbreak that we saw in provincetownhat i would predictnd this e will hit the pause button. >> fingers crossed on that. dr. peter chin-hong, thank you very much. we appreciate your advice, very helpful. thank you so much. >>> a wildfire broke out overnight in the saun joaquin delta on bradford island. it is still burning. the island only has a couple dozen residents, many of whom divide evacuation orders and stayed to protect their properties. the island has no fire service or bridges either. you can only get there by boat or take the ferry as some property owners hurried to do. >> i have ten acres of landing there basically. it's just a boat house and a little log cabin. >> the island is about 2,000 acres. it's estimated a couple hundred acres have burned along with a few buildings. in the past years fires have smoldered for days since bradford island is a reclaimed peak wetland which lies below sea level. turning off pumps could flood the island which is one way to douse the fire. of course they'll be keeping a very cl

think the cdc did give us confusing messages on july 27 when they put -- they were going on this provincetown city and didn't do all the cultures they needed to do. you are less infectious if you are vaccinated. even with a symptom at a breakthrough. julian: yes, very important to keep in mind. i want to bring mandates back into the conversation. we know the defense department now saying after it was announced that pfizer got that full approval from the fda, that they will be mandating all u.s. servicemembers to get a shot. do you think these mandates, i know you alluded to it at the beginning of the conversation, will lead to more people actually getting the vaccine? >> yes. so, they will lead to more people. let's remember the history of the united states. in 1905, there was a case called jacobson versus massachusetts were people were taking the smallpox vaccination, even though it was offered and there was a lawsuit that ended up going to the spring court where the --went to the supreme court where they said yes, you can mandate vaccines in the setting of a public health emergency. that su

. >> dickerson: looking at the massachusetts provincetown study that was a part of this mask guidancewe talked about the ability to transmit among those who are already vaccinated, but it looks like the story of that study could also be that vaccines work. >> doctor: oh, absolutely. it is understandable how there could be kind of a dual or a mixed message from that study, but the predominant message is that if you are vaccinated and you get a breakthrough infection -- first of all, if you're vaccinated, you're much, much more protected against getting infected from someone who is unvaccinated. but the critical issue, john, is if you do get infected, the likelihood of your getting a severe outcome of the infection is very low. it is much more likely that you will be either without symptoms or minimally symptomatic. so the vaccine is doing what you want it to do: it is protecting people from getting sick. >> dickerson: there seems to be some evidence that the message is getting through. the total number of new vaccinated reported in the last seven days is the highest since the week of j

to answer your question specifically around that massachusetts outbreak around provincetown, the c.d.c. did issue an mmwr report. i didn't see that detailed as far as the stratification of immunocompromised as far as other people. what drew headlines around that was the amount of breakthrough infections. i think that's an important point. if we do sedatea that shows immunocompromised are not mounting immune responses at the same rate as other people, is that a good population to target as far as getting another dose to and seeing if that helps. something to watch going forward. i think right there as far as -- you couple that with the severity of those cases is more intense and more are landing in the hospital, that only raises the urgency if something should be done on that front. host: our guest covers the pharmaceutical and biotechnology industries. see the work at business insider dot-com. andrew covers the industry. announcer: c-span's washington journal, taking your calls on the news of the day discussing policy issues that impact you. coming up tuesday morning, the director of t

we saw this in provincetown. are people who have been immunized to are able to get the delta variant and transmit it, although they are protected against severe disease. nobody died in that outbreak. kailey: you speak about going back to protective measures like wearing masks, but you have states like texas who are banning mandating masks in schools. as children grow back, is it safe for them to do so if they are not vaccinated or don't have masks on? dr. beyrer: children under 12 are not eligible to be immunized. for kids 12 and older, very important to be immunized. for those not eligible, we need to have other measures in place. i think you'll see many school districts mandating that teachers and other staff interacting with kids are immunized. that probably will change, too, when we have the full approval. we expect the fda to give it full approval, not just emergency use, in the next few weeks. that will change the calculus as well. for now, the indoor mask mandates are coming back. i think the states like t

. >> reporter: in provincetown, massachusetts, with a 900 coming down with covid-19. 75% of them areaccinated. that outbreak prompting the cdc to once again recommend masks indoors for everyone in hot covid hot zones. >> this weighed heavily on me to have to do this. >> reporter: in new york state were more than 60% of eligible population has received at least one dose of the vaccine, but the 3000 new cases of the virus were reported on saturday. florida seeing more than 101,000 -- 110,000 new cases in one week. the highest increase since the beginning of the year but the governor insists -- >> there will be no restrictions and no mandates in the state of florida. >> reporter: there are some positive trends. the white house noting four straight days of 700,000 doses, about 3 million people receiving their first shot in the past week. >>> thousands of tourists in the las vegas strip got the memo about the new mask mandate there. it doesn't matter if you are neage ted or not, guests were reminded that masks are required and most seemed happy to comply. >> we have to protect ourselves.

forward full steam >> i don't the work that i've done not withstanding the results we've heard from provincetown places about the vaccinated, the work we're doing suggests really this is about the unvaccinated and the share of the country that is unvaccinated if you look at the uk, roughly having trailed us early in the year, now about a month ahead of us in terms of vaccinations, they opened up their entire economy in mid-july and now they're seeing actually a fall largely because their vaccination rates are now in the 70 plus percent range. we just crossed 70 i expect we're probably about a month behind the uk and i would expect our infection rates to fall as well >> jack ablin, your picks all down about 2% or so in the energy patch, so if you want to buy your thesis, maybe you get it on sale today thanks very much for being with us >>> after the break, airlines struggling over the past three months as the delta variants spread, are more declines on the runway? our traders will discuss that next plus, check out the names reporting earnings after the bell today that includes booking holdings ag

we take a booster, if we have j&j, must we take a booster, and there's certainly a feeling from provincetown that -- are where r was a terrible outbreak, you're not protected, and i went back to masking >> inside. >> inside. >> absolutely. it's just too dicey. i mean, i could not believe, i had the mask on again. like that moderna didn't do anything >> although gottlieb on squawk today talking about the rate of transfer in some southern states starting to either stabilize or in the case of tennessee go lower. i see ihme who's done a will the o -- a lot of good modeling work since the beginning. >> this is obviously herd immunity the bad way i still don't understand, maybe you can answer this for me we do have a lot of antibodies that do well so my doctor said if you get sick, we're just going to give you the monoclonal antibodies >> regeneron, they need to be infused so you need to go to the hospital to have that tdone or some setting where that can take place. >> you can do it at home. >> you can >> you're right, jim it needs to be done at a certain point to be most effective >> right we ho

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they followed an outbreak last month in provincetown, massachusetts, showing it can spread as easily as chickenpox and then even vaccinated people can get covid and transmit it. at this testing site in broward county, florida, some waited two hours for their turn on saturday. >> my husband's grandmother and mother tested positive for covid, and he was with them over the weekend. >> reporter: the cdc said more than 21,000 new cases were reported in florida friday, levels they have not seen since january. >> nationally first dose vaccinations are up 30% in the last week. >>> at the first of the month, millions of americans who are behind in their rent could soon be evicted. the eviction moratorium has expired and it could be a preview of what is to come here in california. more than 11 million people are currently late on the rent payments and democratic lawmakers failed to get another vote to extend the eviction ban which the cdc in post last september. here governor newsom has extended the state eviction ban until september 30. >> not only do i expect to see mass evictions across the

that means that keep and the islands, east of nantucket and martha's vineyard, from providence to provincetownit is time to pay attention to this. that is because hurricanes move counterclockwise. the eastern side of the storm always gets the lashing. that will also mean closed airports and suspended ferry service. don't forget at the height of the vacation season. flooding rains and storm surge guaranteed. not helping, full moon. very high tides starting sunday. the day of arrival. here is the best we can do with this hour at the 11 pm. the bad news is, a bit of a left hook veering the path a bit more westerly over long island into the connecticut coast. then kind of meandering north. remnants of the storm will still linger when we see you next at 11 pm eastern time on monday. one point here of personal privilege from an old school broadcaster. your local news on your local affiliate, your local meteorologists, will know your area better. and will be better able to pinpoint your forecasts than the app on your phone. so, stay safe out there. that holds for folks on the run from wildfires in ou

what we are seeing in provincetown, the milwaukee bucks game, anytime you have the situation of largerom spreading. but also, we are kind of in the same place we were last year when we had the sturgis rally and we had a spread after that event. currently reporting about 60 new cases, daily which is about where we were last year. so all of that, points to you know, a concern about a rise in cases following the rally. >> of course laster we didn't have the delta variant. cnn spoke with folks who are in there in sturgis to get a sense of what they are saying and thinking in the majority of them had been vaccinated, take a listen. >> are y'all concerned about covid at all? >> i'm vaccinated . >> my wife has covid right now . >> are you concerned about covid this year? >> >> no . >> why not? >> not where i am . >> did you get the vaccine? >> i ain't getting it and still they say it's not going to make you sterile and kill your -- i don't trust it when it's not even approved yet. >> these are things we've heard before, plenty of unvaccinated people that we've spoken with that we have heard

this week should have been this is what our post-pandemic future might look like, what we saw in provincetown where we saw very few people getting sick, we had few people in the hospital, no deaths. people have been coveting this. >> if you're vaccinated. >> exactly. we could convert this to the flu if you're vaccinated. >> was the problem nine months ago when the vaccine was introduced, was the message not conveyed that, yes, people will still get covid but they'll not end up in the hospital? was there a communication failure eight months ago? >> i think there was an attempt to say that vaccines are not perfect. they're highly effective, very safe. we've repeated this over and over again, but i think there is an expectation that vaccinations be perfect that we don't really expect anything else to be perfect. we don't expect that of pills we take over the counter, so we have this much, much higher standard in our minds for vaccines that are just not realistic. >> robby, you're an example of this. you told me a couple days ago you had a breakthrough case of covid. what was it like and how are

remember what happened just a few weeks ago in provincetown, where large numbers of people, many of themtbreak. it makes zero sense. i think it would have not just sent a wrong message, i think it was foolhardy to do it and it was good to take that down. >> thank you for that. dr. reiner, defense secretary austin is going to mandate mandatory vaccines for troops as soon as this week. will this have a ripple effect across the country? >> yeah, what a great decision to do that. right before the pandemic, in march of 2020, there was a massive outbreak on the "uss theodore roosevelt" aircraft carrier, where a quarter of the ship's crew, 1,200 sailors, were affected. the military is filled with people living in close quarters and this virus is very efficient. more than protecting our troops, which is a very important goal, this country reveres the military. if the military firmly embraces mandatory vaccines, i think a lot of people will say, if it's good enough for the military, it's good enough for me. >> joe, i want to put up this new poll, it shows 53% of unvaccinated americans think that

. >>> covid outbreak in provincetown, massachusetts last month created obviously a lot of fear.n the resort town happened among the fully vaccinated. the important part is no one died and only five people were hospitalized. five out of 469. that's part of the reason andrew sullivan argues it's time for society to effectively accept covid as part of our lives, not be paralyzed by fear. he writes, "those who live in denial, who somehow convince themselves that the virus is a hoax or deep state plot or a function of white supremacy or whatever, will experience what everyone in denial eventually experiences -- reality. and reality's the most tenacious influencer i know." andrew sullivan joins me tonight. he's also author of the new book out just now "out on a limb: selected writing 1989 to 2021." so andrew, you wrote in your column on substack you wrote, "yes i'll wear a mask indoors if i'm legally required or politely asked but i don't really see why anyone should. in a free society once everyone has access to a vaccine that overwhelmingly prevents serious sickness and death there'

seems now, i think, some people wish we had been -- you know, instead of doing what we had in provincetown, that maybe we should have more done more testing on the vaccinated so we can know more about these breakthrough cases. do you have enough information as a scientist to know what these breakthrough cases are doing to people? >> previously we didn't. we have to admit that. early on it was to give testing to people who were in contact with people who were infected or symptomatic. now it's very clear you've got to go beyond that, chuck, because we know now from experience here and other countries that you will have people who are asymptomatic who get into contact with an asymptomatic person who is infected, and you know there will be more infections that otherwise would have gone undetected. you're quite right, we need to do more testing. >> let's go with what the next month is going to look like. you seem to have a dire picture. you expect -- we're at 118,000 cases today, the seven-day average. you're expecting it to hit 200. our peak was 256, according to our data. this is pre-vaccine.

already seen that in examples across the nation, especially the case that the cdc published in provincetownof three quarters of a million people showing up in a small town of sturgis. so the likelihood of a spread of this variant is very high. >> it's not just -- as much as we're talking about sturgis, we should also mention there should be concern about what took place at lollapallooza, what took place at rolling loud, the festival in miami, where you had 100,000 people over the weekend. market days taking place in chicago this weekend. all of a sudden you have the huge gatherings taking place. in particular we point out sturgis, because you have some rally attendees speaking, like that young man that you saw there, and this person right here. >> yes. the way it spreads is pretty straightforward. you have folks elbow to elbow. sturgis is a small place. the town usually has a population of 6,000, and you're talking upwards of half a million, all together, crowded in bars. >> i do want you to listen to a sound bite from one of the attendees here in sturgis. >> go out, ride, have fun, don't w

be safe, but when i look at the data, and i do a risk assessment for myself, and i look at the provincetowne there's a huge outbreak a break view affections among brexit in folks, it seems like the vaccinations are basically doing their job, but i want to be able to hang out with people inside, or go to bars inside and not wear a mask, if i'm vaccinated, why should i be thinking about masking? >> it's an important question, chris it's something you said that i think is worth underscoring 100 times, which is that the vaccines are doing their job. and that is the critical message that we have to make sure that people do not lose sight. of but the vaccines are doing with delta, is there dramatically reducing your chances of dying or being hospitalized. if you get sick. and even though it's a small portion of people who get breakthrough infections once they're vaccinated. we're seeing on top of that those infections by and large are mild, or asymptomatic. that is all because the vaccines are working. and working well. but the reason that the cdc is asking people to mask when they are in public

it does that with the delta variant, as we recently learned with that provincetown outbreak. that's the good news. you would expect over time with this kind of vaccine that there would be a decrease in neutralizing antibodies in circulation, a decrease in protection against asymptomatic infection or mildly symptomatic infection. that's okay. you can still get on top of this virus and significantly reduce its spread if you have high vaccination rates as we've seen in places that have high vaccination rates. so i'm not worried about that at all. many vaccines out there aren't very good at protecting against asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic infections. those aren't breakthroughs. a breakthrough is when despite full vaccination you're hospitalized. >> fauci said that things could get back to relative normal in the spring of 2022 if the overwhelming majority of unvaccinated americans, which is nearly 90 million people, get the shot. can we reach that level without businesses, schools, governments imposing vaccine mandates at this point? >> no. i think that you have 80 plus milli

massachusetts, 70% of the ones vaccinated got sick but 95% of those in provincetown have been vaccinatedf the group. the vaccine works dramatically. that is what we have to focus on here. elizabeth: we hear. >> you not superimposing our will, not we know, you don't know, don't say anything about misinformation. this is emotional information. not where people are right or wrong. elizabeth: got to keep people safe. listen to nancy pelosi on this. watch this. >> so here's the thing, we cannot require someone to be vaccinated. that is just not what we can do. it's a matter of privacy to know who is or isn't. i can't go to the capitol physician give me names of people not vaccinated or encourage them or make it known to others to encourage them to be vaccinated. so we can do that but you would hope science would guide them to protect themselves, their family members and the good colleagues in the work place to get vaccinated. elizabeth: so that's nancy pelosi saying you can't require people to be vaccinated but just listen to the science and how vaccines help. let's jump to this, listen to dr

>> well, what we've seen in provincetown, massachusetts, on the cape, beginning of the summer, was the vaccinated people to transmit the virus to other vaccinated people. so i think indoors, when you can wear a mask, you should wear a mask. i do. i go into a store, i have a mask on. i wear a kn95 mask outside the hospital. i wear an n95 mask in the hospital. so i think, you know, i risk nothing by wearing a mask. and i don't need to stress the vaccine. i will say that everyone in this country will be boosted, i think we've seen actually in israel that boosting people more than six months out has the ability actually now to suppress infection and hospitalization rates. so that's coming to the united states. that's going to give us another level of safety. >> and lastly, the pfizer vaccine, we were saying, could get full fda approval as early as monday. so if that happens, do you see this to be a game changer, at least when it comes to compliance, or mandates in states or school districts? >> i hope so. first of all, i think once the vaccine is approved for children 12 and over, that vac

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provincetown, massachusetts. so everybody talking about how 60,000 people converge and one of the takeaways was to say oh, my god, 700-plus people contracted covid. many if not most of whom were already vaccinated. you looked at it differently. explain. >> right. i think one way to look at this is at this point there are 9 hupp or so individuals who have contracted covid. one way is to say oh, my goodness, that's a very large number. but you also have to look at denominator. we're talking 60,000 people who converged. there were reports of many house parties, very crowded bars and restaurants, people with prolonged close contact with one another with an infection rate of 1.6% with only seven people hos hospitalized. no one dying. in a way this was the ultimate stress test of the vaccines and the vaccines passed with flying colors. now, do think it's important for us to acknowledge that breakthrough infections can happen. you can be vaccinated and you can still be infected. but i also think we need to keep in mind

we know from provincetown that even vaccinated people who get a very mild case can be producing a lot of virus and spread the virus. so you do want to keep it down. and you can spread it to people who are vaccinated but may not have mounted a good response like cancer patients or the elderly. it's also for protecting kids under 12 who can't get the vaccine yet. so i don't think you get to choose which one you're protecting. there's always a good reason to, first, get the vaccine but also wear the mask. can i say, stephanie, one of the important things is we really now need to emphasize wearing a mask, wearing it properly over the nose and get a good mask. n95 masks that fit over your face very tightly. those are the ones you want to get. when you go inside the grocery stores or pharmacies or wherever you're going, when you're walking just on the street, there aren't a lot of people, you don't need to wear the mask. if you're going to a crowd, a concert or something, wearing a mask is important. you'll be with a lot of people and even outdoors for a prolonged period of time. that's whe

we just saw this case in provincetown, massachusetts, where 95% of the population is vaccinated.n people -- when the -- people come from everywhere in the country this is the super spreader of super spreader events. and i worry for all the people there who are not vaccinated who had a much, much higher risk of getting very ill, hospitalized or dying, and i worry about the children in that town who really are subject to the choices that we adults make. >> you know, congresswoman, you say the time to dial back was a year and a half ago. this summer around july 4th we did declare victory from this virus. so what is the appetite like right now among your constituents to take a few steps back again. >> well, nobody's appetite wants to go back to wearing masks. i think i'm just as annoyed as everybody else. but let's be really clear that we all need to be responsible. this is not about us and our own personal freedoms. i don't -- we don't i won't say i, i'm not a smoker, we don't smoke in front of other people, though it is a freedom, it impacts others. this is very similar, so, no, we