by zoom by bishop william barber, president of the breach founding director at the center for public theology at yale. we call him reverend, he's an author. his latest book is entitled reverend, what got you interested in writing about white poverty in america? guest: first of all, thank you for having me. my editor, harsh world, we have been writing this book: our lives. as we look at the reality of poverty in america now, one third of america is unified by the reality of poverty and low wages. you are talking about 140,000,004 and low-wage persons in this country. you are talking about 58%, 68% of african-americans, 26 million. but then you talk about 30% of white brothers and sisters, over 66 million are poor and low-wage , all the way from economic ruin. oftentimes what we see in the way we judge policy is mythology guiding the conversation rather than the truth. that poverty is not that big of an issue. if you look at the wit -- the way that measures politics is to look at is a better way and a measurement that must be used. policy as a black issue, often we talk about it and we show a b

by zoom by bishop william barber, president of the breach founding director at the center for public theology at yale. we call him reverend, he's an author. his latest book is entitled reverend, what got you interested in writing about white poverty in america? guest: first of all, thank you for having me. my editor, harsh world, we have been writing this book: our lives. as we look at the reality of poverty in america now, one third of america is unified by the reality of poverty and low wages. you are talking about 140,000,004 and low-wage persons in this country. you are talking about 58%, 68% of african-americans, 26 million. but then you talk about 30% of white brothers and sisters, over 66 million are poor and low-wage , all the way from economic ruin. oftentimes what we see in the way we judge policy is mythology guiding the conversation rather than the truth. that poverty is not that big of an issue. if you look at the wit -- the way that measures politics is to look at is a better way and a measurement that must be used. policy as a black issue, often we talk about it and we show a b

tonight is bishop william barber carolina native and a professor and director of the center for public theology and public policy at yale university reverend barber. thank you for joining us. it's good to see you here in new york, you know, i wonder this race even though all this stuff has come out about mark robinson, it's virtually unchanged. its a ten point spread, but that means about 35, 37% of north carolinians are totally fine with mark robinson being the governor of their state. does that surprise you not really because he was already talked to before the latest things came came out. >> it's almost as though focusing as long as you don't do it on a nude porn site is ok. i mean, you think about this guy was saying that jesus was in endorser basically of his campaign that jesus was first tenant of diesel was freedom when the first tenant of jesus was law. and how you treat the poor and how you treat the least of these he used anti-immigrant d. this was pro am i gonna he claims to be a person of faith he talks about some people needing to be killed. if you go look at that tape is interesti

bring in right now russell moore, he is the editor in chief at "christianity today" and leads its public theologynother test for christian america." >> you write when we are willing to see children terrorized rather than stop telling lies about their families, we should step back, forget about our dogs and cats for a moment, and ask who abducted our consciences? that's especially true for those of us who, like me, claim to be followers of jesus of nazareth, who told us that on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak. to sing praise songs in a church service while trafficking in the bearing of false witness against people who fled for their life, who seek to rebuild a life for their children after crushing poverty and persecution, is more than just causing a dissidents. christians do not need to struggle to figure out what jesus would do here. if we see children sheltering at home because they fear violence, we know that's wrong. and when we see that this fear comes from the incitement of hatred against those children because of where their parents came from

theology there, they added on additional roles. and including research and a whole set of institutions they developed to try to improve that things like system journal publication and journals and tenure based on that so the faculty are chosen in part by the research by their ability to generate research or revealed preferences for doing that. that system does not work perfectly by any means. there are those of us that work inside universities are well aware. it does seem to produce some benefits. there is a question of research funding. the u.s. pays overhead rates to universities. they get research awards. in the uk they have been trying a system where they allocate research funding to departments based on review. the equality of their research. constantly innovating and tweaking these systems. it is similar. they were initially set up in large part sometimes awarded innovation or discovery, but often times just granting monopolies to friends. so, over time, the system probably improved. but we's probably still don't have it right. still lots of debate. constantly thinking about where should we define the rules of the product system. there is legislation on t

theology there. but they've added on additional roles. and including research, and a whole set of institutions that have developed to try to improve that things like for example, system of journal publication and journalism tenure based on that so that faculty are chosen in part by their research -- by their ability to generate research and by revealed, you know, preferences for doing that. that system doesn't work perfectly by any means those of us who work inside universities are well aware but it does seem to produce some benefits and there's question of research funding. some the u.s. pays overhead rates to universities. they've got research awards safe from the unsf and u.k. they've been trying a system where they explicitly allocate to benefits based on the quality of their research. but constantly innovating and tweaking systems if you think about patents you know it is similar.r. this were initially set up in large for u in large part sometimes they're rewarding innovation or discovery but often they were just granting monopolies to friends of the -- so overtime this system probably improved. but we probably still don't have it right. there's lots of debates, courts are constantly