is there' also nothing that in the current bill that prevents employer from dropping yo into the publicption the very reason the president laid out. it's very costly for employers to provide them. >> well, look, the fact is it's always puzzlg to listen to my friend fiercely defen cuts in medicare and then go off and beat the druabout how they're against single payer government-run healtcare. thers a certain schizophrenia in the republicanarty and maybe whate've finally seen here is that people uerstand medicare a little better and understandow successful it's been in fact, between noand the year 2013, which is year on in ts bill, employers are going to be able to drop people or not drop people justthe same way that they cod any oth time. t i think that fundamentally thad mccote is right about e thing. we do nd to finis legislating some of these this. one thing we're not going to do is continue to have the stus quo in pla. d a lot of peoe that were disrupti the

on from w york, amant about e nd for the publicption, d one from south dakota, who like lot of peopleworried abouthe cost. no public option, no billn the house. on thursday after the president's eech as he seemed to wobble a litt bit, marc. the reality is this, asof now. he senate will not go for a public option. >> that's right. and reality that theouse, progressive ucus and the hoe, and the core of nancy losi's support is commied. you ask peopleo vote for the publ opti which is controversl, popular with the liberal wing but with the understanng and a feait will be kcked out by t senatso it wilnever see the light of day. about this, are ufied, and unified by what ni touched on earlier, the abortn is of the republicans and tting a face and a voice to opposition that has dominated thcovered the last three days, somody who be picked up -- picked out of south carolinand now he is the no >> they rawith it for two solid days. >> i just want to y something.really there is an art to being the oosition party at a moment like this in speech. they'relways yahoos in the party, but the rublican leadersh

is there' also nothing that in the current bill that prevents employer from dropping yo into the publicption for the very reason the president laid out. it's very costly for employers to provide them. >> well, look, the fact is it's always puzzlg to listen to my friend fiercely defen cuts in medicare and then go off and beat the druabout how they're against single payer government-run healtcare. thers a certain schizophrenia in the republicanarty and maybe whate've finally seen here is that people uerstand medicare a little better and understandow successful it's been in fact, between noand the year 2013, which is year on in ts bill, employers are going to be able to drop people or not drop people justthe same way that they cod any oth time. t i think that fundamentally thad mccote is right about e thing. we do nd to finis legislating some of these this. one thing we're not going to do is continue to have the stus quo in pla. d a lot of peoe that were disrupti the debate over the month of august, that's at they wanted. they wanted the status quo t hold. we're not going too that. the insuranc

> wel you'reoing to have i think over 100 progrsives and other democrats thathave said that the publicption is criticalo their vote. and, look.... rose: okay, so they vot for hit in the house and then it goes to conference and... >> and tn it gets taken out. it becomes problemical. we used to do this, charlie. we used do this. we we in minority because of it we would start aill on the far right and try to move it to e ceer counting ourown noses whilthe public and the demoats held their noses. evtually that doesn't work. an oldhairman once told me if you want to get somethg big done, you start in the middle and work out both ways. d i would hope that theyould come back, reset the butn and start to seriously work with us because do think it's possible to get something constructiv done. >> rose: so you think hehould stt all over? >> no, i tnk tt he should me and look at where we're at, where he's at, where his caucuses is at. because whilthere have been bills put out of committee, the ly bipartisan votes against this legislation have en agnst it. >> rose: this speech was adessed to both congre

. >> rose: and it will not have a publicption feature. i'm not going to say (laughs) that has to be what the conference has to notiate but i do think.... >> rose: can pass with a public option feature? >> i think senate's been clear abouthe prospect tre is. that doesn't mean in the house they'rnot going to come t the table and demd it. >> rose: i've got to get you out of here. listen to this, this is the from the "new york times," august5. "the character of mr. emanuels a profanity spewing operative has given a way to a nuanced view. a profanity ewing erative wi a keen understding of how to employ power on behalf of..." this was just a month ago. "a new bt with retively little exrience in washington. although rentlesessly differential to t president, . emanuel is more chief than staf" (laughs) while some predecessors husbded their authority, lest it beeluded,riends say he beeved the more someone used power,he more power that person had. do you agree that? is that a philosophy you agree? the more y use power... >> the profanity piece or th

i think he'll name case for a publicption. the white house ha indicad that they willmakethat case, i think, hoping to convince congress that that is a good option that ould be in e exchange but i think that the very specificetails of that 'll probably still leave to some me glosunited nations on capitol hill. the house has its version. theenate health committee has its version. the financecommittee wants to do it as a so-lled trigger as we've heard about recen days. so i thi he'lleave someoom for that be me gauche@ed. but i ink hel make the ca that having a safety net option that's nationals a good idea. only provides more choice for the publi and the public already knows that public plans like medicareor le what veterans have in the v.a. can be not only workable butery high ality optns very reasonable prices. so he'll me the case for that. but think, aga, he'll leave a little of that detail f rther me gauchunited nations in coness, which... wher this has beme a point of contentio and one where i think he'll try to see wre are

>> you think you cou support the idea of a trigger for the publicption after being home and hearing people's concerns about it? and you think it could be some great compromise where you coult more moderate democrats on board that you are not eliminating the idea of a publ auction? >> i still have a difficult time as a vote, one of the crucial vos, 306 million americans and only 535 degette to vote. i have a difficult time from the beginninlimiting america's choicest on wha they can do with health care, how they can get it and who they can get from. i think it is better to give americans as many choices as possible when the president said at the beginning of this debate if you like what you have you should get to keep it. he made it very clear we are going to start from the choice what you think is best. but if there is somethinthat could be better, good f you, you get to select it. but for policymakers, for politicians to tell americans we are going t limit your choic before you get to see at i can't accept that. i have a difficult time believing that is reform so when people talk about trig