so there's kind of a keen awareness with catastrophe of the this possibility that pumphrey over your shoulder and it tends to make you -- did swords and your work in a kind of keep away but i like. >> who is the theme of her phd thesis? >> it was the ancient political thought, so plutarch was the main character in it. there's no real connection between that and this book in case you were going to ask. >> i want to ask how you go from a phd keep this from had a think tank in washington to owning a motorcycle shop? that's not a normal career track. >> bright, it's actually not quite as bizarre as many people seem to think. i keep hearing from people who are sort of refugees from either academia or some kind of, you know, certain knowledge work and are doing things in the trades. there's quite a few of them out there and it's been great to hear from them. in my own case, i try tried to get an academic job and did not. there's such a clutch of phd's, as you probably know. i did leave a job as a tank. >> which one? >> i'm not going to say. and he did it from day one. >> why? >> it was a p