we're always going to keep coming back to this problem, punnin opportunitying it down the line, and poppingcker government cannot rein in spending. washington politics is like watching a dirty rat hop on its wheel every once in a while, and run and run, and run they don't get anywhere. charles: david, last week, i think it was nuclear oppion of threatened all of a sudden some compromises were made, some appointments went through. i thought it was perhaps a little bit of sign of hope that the nonsense in washington may not have this time again, maybe, it will not be high drama this time. >> bizarre thing is we're head into a debt ceiling showdown even as deficit shrinks, cbo has twiced revised its estimate of deficit in last 8 months we have lowest deficit projected this year any time in last 4 years. >> can you provide some numbers for, that dave? >> since world war ii. >> please, you know -- >> big deficit were truth of ththeeconomy being -- >> as we come out of this bad economy times deficit will string of, that happens were clinton and now. >> i am wondering -- >> washington. charles: on