and i said, i know not all of you took a free trip courtesy of purdue pharma to arizona and florida to become paid speakers from the country. but you all participate in the system. you should participate in the correcting it. and so i think a lot of it at that. so that was 2017. two years later, they totally changed the they do medicine. they started doing buprenorphine or medication assisted treatment, offering it in the ed, whereas before they thought that was just treating a drug addiction with another drug it wasn't their job. so they they can change the world. and then when they changed one guy with a lot of power decided he could change rules. and, you know he had incredible and. that's what i see over and over in this book is like one person sometimes it's a mother or sister of somebody who's out of overdose somebody. it's sometimes it's just somebody like dr. burton who who i asked him what happened. he said, well, we read your book. and then we looked into the research and we said, how can we not be doing this? and now he becomes kind of an evangelist for four other hospitals

i mean, purdue pharma. yes. like. well tax. quite popular, right? medicare for all, it's not just powerful. like we have a real challenge there. a lot of americans health insurance, they don't want to let go of because that okay thing, you know, is better than the potentially better thing you can't touch yet. and i think sometimes lull ourselves to our peril into this notion that we have solved the organizing challenge but for powerful interests when i think we have, as i say in the book, we're talking about alicia from black lives matter in her early organizing work. sometimes one has both a powerful interests problem and a lay public opinion problem, right? and when one has both of those, one can get into the story in one's that my problem is just that and you can get off the organ. and i think we have a of real organizing to still do offer as a last bit here advice to the questioner's point. so you know we live in a state that just had the school shooting in its history. we have polls that overwhelmingly that the people of the state stepped up ba

correlation -- corporations like nbc, abc, cbs, johnson & johnson, who manufactured it, walmart, purdue pharmae is a couple of corporations distributing and sold heroin in this country. and the new stations kept it quiet because they were selling the heroin during the whole time and they did not want to bring that up, where the addiction was going on in this country. news stations not bring it up. they will not play it on no movies or anything about the heroin addiction in this country, because they were selling the drugs. host: array. i will leave it there. you mentioned the debt ceiling, and that debate is happening here in washington, with president biden saying republicans are being reckless. republicans are saying the president is refusing to negotiate. here is a republican congressman, chair of the ways and means committee, on president's economic record and refusal to talk to republicans. [video clip] >> the problem is you have this fear mongering from the white house to try to distract the real issue at hand. that is, the president needs to come to the table and talk to speaker mccarth