this attack on the puritans is perhaps best encapsulated from the writer hl menton who quipped that puritanism is the haunting theater that someone, somewhere may be happy. literary scholars, such as vernon and van witt brooks, scores who saw the economic drive essence of history argued that the search for wealth was the driving force behind the settlement and growth for new england. popular culture came to misunderstand puritans, as theocratic misogynistic, bad fashion sense and with those who disagreed with them and burned witches. historical praise to those with puritanism to concentrating only on those blemishes. for those closely connected to the plymouth story, it became desirable and imperative to distinguish the pilgrims from the puritans. there was some evidence that seemed to point in this direction or at least support it. during the late 16th and early 17th centuries english church authorities had attacked puritans who were struggling to reform the church from within, by saying that their views inevitably led to separation and thus destroyed the unity of the church. in order to reta

clearly, a case can be made in shaping new england's congregational puritanism.he other major o way that my understanding has changed by immersing myself in bradford and other sources, his understanding of the pilgrim relations with the native population. has made clear in the yesterday —- essay of the new edition the natives had ample reason to be suspicious of the arrivals on the mayflower. earlier voyages of europeans had brought diseases to which the indigenous people have w no defense. as we witnessed the hard effects of the pandemic sweeping the world today we can perhaps better understand the horror of an unknown disease cutting down thousands of victims with a normal human instinct to coddle the sick and care for the dying. in the region around cape cod where the pilgrims would settle some communities suffered losses of over 90 percent. in one village site that became but those were not in those communities. but then in champlain impacted here, was deserted in 1620. in addition to the ravages of disease the native suffered from the aggressive intentions o

this historian of the puritans in the mid 20th century. he also wrote about education. i just want to use his sense of this tension here to think about one of the tensions that sort of underlies some of these questions that arise about what should be taught. one of the goals of education in american society is often the sense of diffusion; that is, of making accessible, of bringing knowledge out to people, right? so communicating to people, training people up. the making of good citizens, a profound, quote, a profoundly democratic conviction that the school should be so conducted as automatically to produce exactly what america wants. so america wants more workers, schools should be placed to train more workers. right? what america needs or wants, this diffusion. but he said the tension with this other underlying sense of what education is basically about, which is discovery. the sense to which education exists not just to pass things on or produce whatever it is society says it needs to produce, but to find out what we didn't know. in doing so, education has often face

important place of them and political speeches, reagan's calling as a city on the hill because of the puritan called this inhale and the titans came here and so forth and how did we get from one place to the next in the way that we get there is through the work of history's of what we will be looking at today is after the united states becomes an independent nation, what happens to the development of historical writings, how do they take off and how do they focus on certain certain national narratives and what happens to maintain them and to disseminate them to a wide population and we talked last time and before about ernest and collective memory and about this idea that nations have a kind of what is called temporal text, this idea that particle it makes nation and nation, is the idea of shared memory and part of those shared memories is forgetting other memories, other aspects of history in order to code here are the kind of story. so we talked about this whole part of collective memory in relation to nationalism and here today we will see it at work and that is this lecture today but it d

so you see the early celebration of pilgrims and puritans and so forth in boston and who you think are celebrating in new york in the earliest days of the historical society. they have a big gala, and attempt to hold it on the anniversary of what. hamilton gets remembered in terms of everybody remembers the revolution for sure but one of the new york families go back to. medlin, the debt debt so the first big gala actually in 1809 to celebrate 200 years. in the coming of the dutch and so you see the way the historical societies have regional flair to them in new york historical society begins by celebrating the dutch in the first puritans as well but we are the dutch you know. in each place begins to emphasize his own history as part of the national story. we will come back to this term in the little bit but would you begin to involve here is what one historian calls sectional nationalism, my section is a sort of a central section of the nation for the nation and if you want to know about american national history, you first have to know about my section but we are the most important p

but most of the pilgrims came from lincolnshire and to the north and east of plymouth where the puritansint as they were called. of the 102 passengers, 50% were what we would call pilgrims. the other 50% were called strangers, so they were not particularly strong in terms of their rejection of james the first church of england. the puritans came from places like scrutiny manner where they illegally set up a church of worship before they went to holland. that were perhaps some people from holland who would comeo join the ship, possibly in london. plymouth would've been their final calling port, and many of them stayed in some of the buildings like iron house. it was a fine accommodation within make arrangements for what to do with the passengers who were on board the speedwell who obviously were not going to travel on the speedwell. some of them went back home. some of them went back to holland and the rest of them went off on the very crowded mayflower. it would been a very unfamiliar and quite an alien place to those people who came very much for my -- [inaudible] background. >> how lon

and so they were absolutely supporters of puritans and cromwell. yet we see penelope here and she is dressed very similarly to the wife and of the daughter of king charles i. the first. so on the left is queen henrietta maria and receive the fabric she's wearing. also francis mary stuart on the right of penelope, penelope's gold necklace, her hairstyle are very similar to mary stuart. so she's clearly aligning herself here with the utmost upper ashlar of society. these portraits were shipped back to the colonies with a winslow's homes were and they were obtained by the family for generations until the late 1800s when it was donated to the museum. you may be familiar with the museum. it has preeminent collection of pilgrim possessions. [inaudible] including several associated with penelope. the most iconic of these is this shoe. so this was formally -- has very elaborate silver lace on it and a story that came down with the shoe was it was won by penelope at her wedding and it was worn by subsequent family brides intel is donated to pilgrims call in

guys who were very, very passionate, very staunch practices, or practitioners i should say of the puritan faith. they were led back into england by james the first who then gave them his blessing to get them out of the country. he said they could go to the new world, they could go to the americas, fighting i think he said providing they treat themselves respectively. they were in and out of england and then down to the ships. fortunately, not being chased or executed by the king but gently encouraged to go somewhere else. >> professor robert stone, thank you very much. >> great. thank you. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> in plymouth harbor, england, than mayflower ii lies in a coup, i think the ship comes to life again after three centuries in the pages of history. she is as accurate a replicate of the original as scholars and shipwrights could make her, a gift of englishmen to america, and historical figure far removed from the solemn ceremonies. this commute to history takes the form of living adventure. 337 years after the original set sail for the new world, on the landing stage from which the pilgrims depa

his mother was a direct descendent of the puritans. anthony fought in the civil war. his brother samuel, died in service, and he enlisted afterwards. he appears from the civil war diaries to have masturbated obsessively and then felt obsessively guilty about it. we think that some of his animus towards obscenity came from the fact that during the civil war, men were passing around books in pictures and this kind of thing because it'd become cheaper to mail those kinds of materials. he moved to new york around 1867-1868 like many young veterans and you want to become a dry goods salesman. because he was interacting a lot with other men his age were visiting prostitutes and sporting culture, supporting life which included boxing, billiards, pretty waiter girl saloons, bars, the wonderful book lowlife by looks to want it to all of this. he became very bothered by the men's pursuit of advice. through a series of kind a small world coincidences he was able to befriend the silence of the ymca which is found in this country in 1852, and through the connections that he made t

his mom, polly comstock was a direct descendant of the puritans and anthony fought in the civil war, his brother samuel died in service and he enlisted afterwards and he appears from his civil war diaries masturbated obsessively and then felt guilty about it and some of his animous came from during the civil war they were passing around mail and materials, to move around new york in 1867, 1868 like many young veterans' wanted to become a dry goods salesman because he was interacting with men his age visiting prostitutes and boarding life, boarding culture, boxing, billiards and pretty waiter girls, saloons and gets at all of this, he became very bothered by the men and through a series of small world coincidences he was able to befriend the scion of the ymca founded in this country in 1852 and because of the connection to those guys, samuel colgate, a name you might know from your toothpaste tube and he was sent to washington in 1872 and 1873 and got this law passed that became known as the comstock law, even though it has a much longer and more complicated name. so anthony comstock

what i worry about is this kind of neo-puritanism. worry about it because it risks causing us to make bad decisions because we are not taking into account that humans like pleasure. most of the book is me arguing, making an evolutionary argument for the usefulness of alcohol. pleasure cannot be a part of that argument. evolution doesn't care if we are happy or not. it uses pleasure as a tool to get us to do things. and get -- yet we are not our genes. we care a lot about pleasure. it should be a valid goal to enhance our pleasure. at the end of the book, i am worried a little bit about being too instrumental. too aesthetic about our functions all the time. allowing a bit of intoxication as a form of peer pleasure. i think we do need to preserve that. as long as we are individuals drinking in a healthy situation. host: the pressures and the other direction, not just from governments but the medical communities pushing people towards zero-tolerance or zero consumption because of the cancer increases. the heart increases. certainly, the

william cheney came in 1640, one of the great immigration of puritans who were trying to escape religious persecution in england, and who came to the united states thinking and hoping that we would become a city on a hill. some of my cheney ancestors moved to new hampshire shortly after the revolutionary war, and my great-great-grandfather, samuel fletcher cheney, was born in merrimack county, not far from here in 1829. samuel fletcher cheney moved to defiance, ohio, and enlisted in april of 1861 when president lincoln first called for troops when the civil war began. he fought in the union army for four years. he was on sherman's march to the sea. he was in the grand review parade in washington, d.c., marched past the reviewing stand with president andrew johnson and general grant. and he knew, like all of the others who fought to preserve our union, he exemplified the idea that is enshrined in the motto of new hampshire, "live free or die." they knew the price of freedom. they knew that it had to be fought for and defended. and they knew that they were the ones who had to do it. one of

think one of the interesting things is people often have this impression of the era as if it is a puritan across-the-board society but in fact, it wasn't really. even when you talk about these women there was a certain amount of liberation which they seem to have lost when world war i came across and as far as you can tell? >> maybe it was only downtown. he lived on a boardinghouse and this is where a lot of people were arriving by boats and that imis what downtown was all about at that point. you could also rent a room. if there were bookshops that sold all kinds of material. to give you an idea but some of this stuff was where you and i have lived and done work and postcards i wish i could find a page in my book. one of them was called the women's rightsje convention butt wasno a combination and it chand because there could be a small group of images and words and so small that you could have this impression because the men that were engaging in the boarding life and culture they were living in boarding houses with other men and they were going out all night and you could imagine how sh

history to favor the puritans and these mercenary jobs and the immediate taking of the land around jamestown pushing out the people very violently and also found agrarian people, squash and beans, the triad of american agriculture before columbustr but another item, tobacco which they used for additional purposes, medicinal purposes, they started selling and quickly became a prized commodity in western europe and everybody got addicted to it so it never had a low time, it only grew and grew so i think that was the formation of the british empire, with these qualities, could be appropriated for the nativeve people who already developed the land and already it was agricultural land. they had notes all over the continent, now the eastern seaboard and appropriated where he existed and pushing the people out so this was in part possible because they already had the knowledge and mechanisms for doing that environment but it also developed as a program in itself, a type of colonialism. it was replicated later, it worked so well in north american colonies, it was applied in canada, british holdings

. >> in many circles it is conventional wisdom that the right wing is authoritarian and puritanical but you say it is the opposite. >> it is just the opposite and that was a shock for me and i suspect your audience is going through it themselves and realizes it is a shock to them. in "don't burn this book" i make some arguments that are not thought of as mainstream arguments was i make approach a -- pro-choice pro-gay marriage argument, we were supposed to be told the right or the conservatives hate gay people. it is simply not true. i spoke at liberty university two years ago right before lockdowns, the largest evangelical -- event -- evangelical college in the united states, 4000 kids doing sunday invocation and i talk about being gay married myself, but with my husband for 10 years and i talk about being pro choice and got a standing ovation and a lot of people said we agree with you on so much, disagree with you on a couple things but that is okay. what i found, i make a pro-choice argument in the book which is not thought of as something on the right but there are conservatives lik

the interesting things is that people often have this impression that era as if it were this really puritan across-the-board society but in fact itct wasn't, even when youe talking about these women that are coming across commodity was finding that a certain level of liberation and start of this mid to late 18 hundreds which they seem to have lost during world waren i when he came long so he described little bit more what new york was like. and give some adjectives there pretty how prevalent was you know this kind of cd society as far as you can to help. >> i mean, some people, that maybe the gangs of new york. new york at the time was only downtown, we think of these places in manhattan and a boardinghouse on the street near your old apartment this is where a lot of people are arriving by boat and there was shipping and that's what downtown was all about at the time and you had barbershops and sometimes they were the bar shops and they were there to lunch and there were bookshops the soul all kinds of materials and you know, with the stuff was, some of this in new york where they had done

important place of them and political speeches, reagan's calling as a city on the hill because of the puritan called this inhale and the titans came

of the comprehensive investment from the european parliament but also with the competition with puritansin and the kremlin sustained campaign of political a version. that is effective in germany like and then an example and with power over germany's economy. >> that china. you are in the white house. you are national security advisor you have the top job in the institution that brings together military and diplomatic initiatives to the united states at the moment at the moment when the whole country partly because the donald trump and president xi though whole country is realizing that china will not be a friend. we are in for something new "berlin on —- the berlin wall is an analogy for the great firewall of china the combination of laws and technology to isolate the realm of the chinese communist party from outside influence". all kinds of things are different what all the russians have ever got from us the chinese are invested in silicon valley up and down. >> a lot of things are different. that you are arguing there is something central to the relationship of china and is not that di

and to the important place of them in political thesis and calling as a city on the hill and the puritans did as well the pilgrims came here and so forth and how do we get from one place to the next the way we get there, is through the work

. >> but we were really puritanical on television.could not even appear to be having sex. >> how can a plant have a trauma? >> it's a living thing. it's probably very sensitive. >> we better go in the next room and talk so it won't hear us. >> donald, anything you have to say to me, you can say in front of my plant. >> it was all happening on the street, but it wasn't happening on television, not at all. standards and practices watched us like hawks. this went back to lucy and desi. they were married, and they had to sleep in separate beds. donald always went home, yet it was a time of free love. it was the time of woodstock. it had nothing to do with where society was. >> oh, marlo thomas, oh, my god. she punted the ball to mary tyler moore and mary tyler moore ran with it. >> i remember why i broke off with howard. >> mary tyler moore was just so massive to me. having her job and dealing with, like, all of these men. >> i have been dating since i was 17. i'm 37. that's two decades of dating. >> mary richards was actively having sex.

improve the conditions in the hospitals but instead in a black-and-white way americans tend to be, the puritanulture as we said we have to shut these hospitals down and result as many of those people ended up homeless on the streets or in jails and prisons. part of i wanted "san fransicko" to do was say hey, let's go up a bit. this is a difficult group of people to deal with an some amount of coercion early on is going to result in greater humanity possibly later on. >> folks? >> a follow up a little bit. you mentioned paternalism. i sometimes think there's unholy alliance between antigovernment conservatives who don't like bureaucracy and case management and hassle, and there's some libertarians in there. and now the left doesn't like paternalism. how do you respond to someone who says you're just bringing back, you're going to house these people or you're being paternalistic. how have you dealt with that child? >> yeah, and the do say that. by the way of course it depends. i mentioned earlier we were like, trying to figure out, we realize we need a new institution in california. one question

i don't think we need to be too puritanical, but i think it is reasonable to expect members of parliament go swanning off abroad, except perhaps for one holiday a year, like most of us. is there a danger with this that you will simply persuade more people to leave politics and to entice fewer good people into politics? he. leave politics and to entice fewer good people into politics? ha. i good people into politics? no, i don't think— good people into politics? no, i don't think that _ good people into politics? no, i don't think that applies - good people into politics? no, i don't think that applies at - good people into politics? no, i don't think that applies at all. l don't think that applies at all. there are people in politics being paid quite a lot of money every year who are not devoting themselves sufficiently to the interests of their constituents. if someone like thatis their constituents. if someone like that is replaced by a full—time mp with minimal outside interest, so long as you choose the right candidate, and i would also say that, you know, the sanction in this lies wi

and implemented that was then brought to north america and because of the first landings of the puritans, before that, jamestown and especially with jamestown which has always laid down in u.s. history to favor the truth and these mercenary johnce smith armed violent immediate taking of the land around jamestown and pushing out the people very violently, they also found a product the native people, corn, squash, beans, the triad of american agriculture before but another item, tobacco which they used for medicinal purposes and ceremonies, they didn't get addicted to it but they started selling this and quickly became a prized commodity and western europe and everyone got to it so it never had low points, it only grew and grew so that i think was the formation in the british empire, this bridged land could be appropriated for the native people who already developed the land and already over h agricultural led. they built roads all over the continent talking about the eastern seaboard and simply appropriated what already and pushing the people out so this was in part, possible because they

developed over a couple centuries brought to north america and because of the first landings of the puritans before that jamestown and especially with jamestown which is played down with the mercenary john smith and armed violent immediate taking of the land in jamestown and pushing up people very violently they also found a product weren't squashing the triad of american agriculture before columbus. another item to buckle which they use for municipal purposes and ceremonies they didn't get addicted to it but started selling this and very quickly became a price commodity in western europe and everybody got addicted to it it only grew and grew and grew that was a formation of the british empire what these colonies can be appropriated to the native people who had developed and was already agricultural land and they had manicured before us and built roads all over the continental and the eastern seaboard and appropriating what already existed and pushing the people out this was in part possible because the early had the knowledge and mechanisms for doing that in ireland but also developed as a