forgiveness, having good attitudes, reaching your dreams, not just, you know-- a lot of times religion pusheseople down. >> stephen: as a catholic-- let me ask you this-- have you ( laughter ) ( applause ) have you tried that? >> no. that's so funny. it's so funny. >> stephen: it works for me, man, it works for me. "i better do it. i better be better." >> really, stephen, it's funny because it is the reason a lot of people don't go to church. enough. i don't go to church." our message say little bit different. it says god is for you. you can recover from a fall. you can live your dreams pup don't have to live under the guilt, the condemnation. >> stephen: how do you feel about the people who have of tv preachers, 85 me your cash, and you, too, will get cash is there any of that in your preaching? >> i don't believe in that. >> stephen: do you ask people to send you cash? >> no, never have. >> stephen: that's refreshing. >> thank you. >> stephen: let me ask you this, regardless-- rarlt of whether you ask, do they send you cash anyway? >> people send cash anyway. here's the thing-- here's the thing.