putin and opposite. and his popularity will collapse. >> let me ask you one more question then turn to our audience here. next week the atlantic council is marking or celebrating the free. n of a europe pole as you well know that vision of a europe free was one that was intended to include russia as part of this community. as we grapple with what the future of our strategy, the future of our policy, how do you reconcile this, the rhetoric and the old strategy of a europe free that was inclusive of russia with the situation today? >> it's really just great that he can sell that. remember, coming back to stalin -- this disaster here in and 9/11 we knew how relations were strengthened between our two countries. and just two presidents, prime minister and vice president and ministers were together discussing everything. and in that time we provided immediately all these special way for lodge jistics to afghanistan. it was one of the giant operations. we didn't want to just to come there because of our hist t

it is not just misinformation from putin. putin destroy the image of the ukraine.s why i'm so worried. i will do anything to -- >> you want people to understand what about ukraine? >> we choose peace. we want peace. this is our ideology of our country. ukraine. we don't want to have war. it is a plan of putin. important.st -- most three main words. peace, truth, country. don't destroy my country. it's my message to putin. don't destroy my country. you don't have any reason. why you do that? i mean, i asked putin, why you do that? for your power, for your money. please stop. >> is it too late for crimea? >> no, no, no. no, no. that example to the world, putin change rules of security. we can stop him now. crimea.t just about >> you told me last night at dinner that you need an election. and you need a new president. you want to have a strong government elected by the people that can be the symbol of the new ukraine. yes? >> yes. good question. putin has 2 months to destroy the ukraine. we have elections now. disappeared.kovic we were surprised about that. nobody und

we don't know what putin might plan in detail, but it isn't as if putin hasn't talked for the past 12 years about what his vision for russia is. it sent as if he hasn't talked in the past two years about what his vision is for the former soviet space. he's talked about a creation of he eurasian union, and to some end, that is going to be dominated by russia. it's an entity that doesn't make sense without ukraine for commercial, economic, and strategic reasons. the ultimate goal i think for putin is to bring ukraine into russia's orbit as part of this eurasian unit. i also believe that he understands that this is something that is -- he's incapable of doing at this point. the goal in the immediate term is to at least create some leverage over the formation of a government in kiev, so that the government that ultimately forms is, as a minimum, neutral and not hostile to russia. so the game here is for ukraine over the long term. we are in initial phases of that. second point i would make is that there is a genuine pride in russia today, and it's not only because of crimea. crimea, i've

putin personally, the goal is to change his calculus. >> but will the strategy get putin to change coursen ukraine? tonight our special report, russia, follow the money. i'm john siegenthaler in new york. it was two months ago that the crisis in ukraine erupted in flames this kiev. the white house says russia has been raising tensions there all along. last month vladimir putin admitted that russian troops were on the ground in crimea. that region voted to split off from ukraine, and was officially annexed by russia back in march. since then pro-russia activists have seized buildings in eastern ukraine, and russian troops have staged military drills along the border. washington has responded with sanctions four times now. peter greste is in moscow are more. >> reporter: all of the latest names and companies have strong links to vladimir putin. as the u.s. tries to up the pressure on the russian leader by hitting them close to him. this man was in charge of planning the winter olympics, and the boss of the russian o oiling giant. they all join others close to putin already on the list. the

we can stop putin.we stop these aggressors, we can stop new empire. >> rose: what do you think his goal is? >> i think he wants to show us he's the leader, the first one in the world, he has power, nobody can stop him but he's wrong pup know because power comes from underground, from people power. so i believe for that. i tonight believe for putin, for his power. >> and if he invades ukraine, ukraine. will fight back. yes, of course, rs, of course. you know why, i daughter midawm, number we have that we have everything, power. that's enough for us. >> rose: power is enough? >> yeah, power is enough. and i also believe midan, we will see one day, whb mibegan will be in russia. >> rose: what do you want from the united states and the west? fl>> most important saiskses, as long as possible, as teen as possible, as much as possible. don't make money with the wiewt-- it's money from war, bad money. >> rose: stop dealing with thim. no personal relationships. >> yes, yes, you don't, you know, product of someth

putin wonders how nato continues to grow, when the reasons no longer exist. >> the prices that puting to pay, is correct. there are definitely costs to pay. the reason he is willing to bear those costs is it's more important to him to make sure ukraine is not peeled away from russia'russia's orbit. can russia will be willing to absorb significant price. >> but again john why is nato continuing to push further east when all it manages to do is aggravate russia? >> significant numbers of people in the united states still are have a cold war mentality. they believe russia has the capability to become a greater russia which will look like the second coming of the soviet union. what they're trying to do is make sure if that happens, almost all of europe is under the control of nato so this russia can be contained. this is outmoded thinking but nevertheless it plays a key role in nato's decision making. >> steven when you consider that, as russia has the united states meddling in its friends allies, former soviet block, does president putin have a point? >> he has a point but he hasn't had

vladimir putin isn't all that popular.the last credible polling that i saw came not in the spring from the la plata center in moscow and a suggested that of respondents who voted for -- to participate in the vote for the presidential election, only 34% said they would vote for vladimir putin. in a democratic society, that is catastrophic. even an authoritarian one is deeply charlo, which is why what you see it has to do with the last year has been a deepening of russia's antidemocratic church. the real dilemma for u.s. policymakers is how to square that circle, how to invest in democratic institutions, democratic infrastructure without the messiness meddling in internal affairs about having proxies, whether it's the international republican institute, democratic answer to plot us to commiserated kicked out of the country. i think that's a very difficult needle to thread. that is the reason why the obama it restrictionist spent so little time actually thinking about it because there's large things we can work with with rega

putin.it says that he is following his own rules. inside, it says that critics say he is on an imperial mission taking advantage of washington's powerlessness and what "der spiegel" calls "germany's strange indulgence." they point out that many germans are very tolerant of russia's expansionist policies, mainly for economic reasons, but also for historic reasons. "der speiiegel" says germany still has very strong ties to its former occupier and it likens this to a sort of stockholm syndrome. >> vladimir putin's strategies are very worrisome to many in the west. they are wondering how far his ambition goes. >> this article talks about insatiable. after gobbling up crimea, the russian bear is trying to take another bite out of ukraine. inside, "the economist" says the cost of stopping the russian bear is high, but it will only get higher if the west does nothing. it calls for reinforcement of nato troops in central and eastern europe as well as widening visa restrictions for russian oligarchs

>> putin's constellation is, what is the cost for my taking further action -- putin's calculation is,hat is the cost for my taking further action? so far it has been none. >> -- to restore russia to greatness without necessarily acquiring everything that was part of the warsaw pact. is he rational? >> it seems to me that we work more closely with the nato members. we moved forward -- >> isn't the president trying to do that? >> i do not see any real indication of it. if you refuse to fly mre's in because it is provocative, i do not think they are doing a hell of a lot. >> you do not worry about provoking the vladimir putin. >> does vladimir putin need to be provoked? it's crazy. the only thing that vladimir putin understands is peace through strength. peace through strength. while we are reducing -- pardon me? >> acquisitions through strength. putin believes he uses his proximity geographically and troops on the border -- >> i am not saying it is easy. i would not keep saying, do not worry we will not have american boots on the ground. i would let him figure it out. i would not keep s

putin personally. the goal is to change his c calculus. >> will the strategy get putin who some believe is worth billions to change course in ukraine? tonight, our special report: russia. follow the money. >> i am john seigenthaler in new york. it was two months ago that the crisis in ukraine already simmering erupted in, in flames in kiev. the white house says russia has been raising tensions there all along last month. vladimir putin admitted russian troops were in fact on the ground in crimea that region voted to split off from ukraine and was annexed by russia back in march. since then, pro-russia activists seized buildings in eastern ukraine and russian troops staged along the border. washington has responded to the crisis in ukraine with sanctions four times now. our peter sharp is in moscow with more on the measures announced today. >> all of the latest names and companies have strong links to vladimir putin as the u.s. tries to up the pressure on the russian leader by hitting those close to him

-- >> isolating putin. >> and isolating putin but also just sort of containing this issue because there is this fear, as you know, he doesn't want this to become the rest of his presidency. you know, but in many ways he is being tested here in some way on how he handles ukraine. for instance, i'm about to hop on a plane in two days, we're going on this asia trip. and, oh, by the way, japan has an issue with islands with china, korea has some territorial issues. there are a lot of countries in asia that have territorial issues with china. how is the united states, where are they going to sit when this decides to raise its head and become an issue there? so that's why this does matter globally, sort of how the white house responds to this, and they have no interest right now -- >> basically we've had an assumption that borders are basically going to be borders, and once that comes into question, if in ukraine or crimea or anywhere else, then all over the world -- >> all bets are off. >> all bets are off, and let's face it, obama whether deservedly or not does have it -- i'll say it crudel

look a strategy to counter putin and that will be the end of the putin and the russian empire. that's all we can can do. it's not world war three. >> rose: do what we did with respect to iran. the economic muscle. and it becomes the principal thing. not only do you spot sanctions against russia but provide the energy that these countries are worried about because they're not going to be able to get it from russia. >> i really believe that right now, i'm probably being repetitious. i'm seeing putin sated in moscow in the kremlin and i see what the response would be so far. you can't help but be encourage. >> rose: let me take you down the road. if that doesn't work, as putin says at this table look the russians are top, they say look we survived leningrad. so don't think you can freeze us to death. don't think you can starve us to death. you can't. we've been there before. >> we tried to do that. >> rose: but at the time me where you go if sanctions don't work. i mean at what point. >> depends on what he does. if he moves forward into say the baltics which are nato. >> rose: the

vladimir putin was never going to be an easy partner. russia is a major country demanding attention like china, we haven't given it attention. what are we going to do now. are we going to confront vladimir putin, contain him. the white house is not considering that. >> a lot of interesting issues that are brought up. thanks. >> turning to yemen, where an unprecedented 3-day attack targetting al qaeda killed 55 militants. the tault marks a -- assault marks a significant escalation by drones and forces in the arabian peninsula. it is considered the most dangerous branch of the terror group. the operation comes days after a brays ep video showing a -- braysen video showing more than 100 fighters in al qaeda, in yemen shown around the world. i'm joined by brigadier general mark kimmitt. who served as assistant secretary of state and defense for middle east policy. >> good as always to have you on the show. when we last spoke we talked about the public meeting alarming a lot of people, do you think the assaults over the past couple of days ar

putin thinks and believes. think we have a very good opportunity to resolve the problem with ukraine and crimea. secondly, just to tackle the problems in russia. my recommendations on ukraine -- first, the western community 25,ld ensure that may announced elections take place and run successfully and the results are credible, the elections are free and fair -- and allvision of necessary organizations and visible for everyone that everything is all right. for is actually necessary stabilization. secondly, ukraine needs immediate [indiscernible] imf will provide the first tranche. but there are many other creditors. could bell assistance provided under special promises of the government. but one year -- another package is absolutely possible to allow the government to stand up, to be strengthened, to walk out of these reforms supported by the whole world. it is an absolute necessity. help for is moral ukraine government and ukrainian people and their fight for their sovereignty and their territorial integrity. al

putin had responded with tough words. he likes to be seen as a man who follows through on his word, unlike president obama with no consequences. whether it's a full-scale invasion of the ukraine by russia or just escalation along the border and more skirmishes, i don't know. i don't think anyone knows right now. >> john, pentagon officials are saying that friday -- just yesterday, that russia military drills continue with russian fighter jets entering ukrainian airspace on several occasions over the previous 24 hours and that pentagon spokesperson urging russia to take immediate steps to de-escalate, the word that keeps popping up, the situation. still russia, as you just talked about yourself, has increased military exercises and the rhetoric continues -- listen to this quote from putin he made thursday before a media forum. he says, if the kiev regime has started to use the army against the population inside the country, it is a very serious crime. what is it going to take to stop putin? >> it will take more than words.

the paper is useless, the words that putin are using are quite important. >> here is what vladimir putinabout the possibility of using force. >> can i remind that you russia's federation council granted the president the right to use military force in ukraine. i very much hope that i will not have to use that right. >> saying that he just doesn't want to be forced into going into russia. >> he doesn't have to have a full scale invasion. is he doing very well, thank you, just fomenting this unrest, exposing the ukrainian army as completely feckless. i think is he doing really good. what really struck me about the president's statement is my hopes that we actually do see follow through but i think given past performances we can't count on that. he was talking about russia. the way it came out as if the european allies were not going to follow through. i think that's really the big question. he keeps on talking about these additional consequences that we can impose on the russians if we don't see any improvement. i don't think we have been seeing any improvement it's actually going in the o

putin knows that as well.also knows that the american public is largely apathetic about what happens to eastern europe, the same thing can be said for western europeans, they simply don't care. once again, the situation mirrors what hitler did in the 1930s, same game plan. back then the west did not want a confrontation with the brutal nazi dictator and allowed him to run rampant. nearly 75 years later we are looking at a similar situation with putin. the only question that remains is how crazy is this guy? clearly doesn't care about the law or human right or democracy. as putin grows in power, literally anything could happen. eastern european nations like the baltic states, moldova and even poland very worried they know the u.s.a. is a paper tiger. that's where we are at. president obama understands the situation but not likely to confront putin effectively any time soon. that's the top story. joining us from washington mary katharine ham and juan williams both fox news analysts. where am i going wrong here.

sitting atop vladimir putin. credit rating of their sluggish economy has been cut to just above junk status. so i want to ask white house deputy security adviser if these new sanctions announced are designed to squeeze putin's inner circle and expose his secret billions. how much does the u.s. know about putin's rumored wealth and are these latest sanctions which are the result of the continueled threats to ukraine sovereignty designed to hit him and his chroneys in their own wallets. as for that other billionaire behaving badly, donald sterling sounds like a jerk. does his being a jerk mean he should be kicked out of the nba and forced to sell the clippers? a team that he's owned for more than three decades for things he may have said that he thought were private. that is do we have a right to be stupid and ignorant and racist in our own private life without repercussions? i have a great lineup of guests as we look at this story from numerous angles including talk show host larry king who is not only a basketbal

the will be consequences if putin does this or that, and putin keeps doing thing.back to syria, from a couple of years ago when the president said if he crosses the redline on chemical winds, easterly nor consequences. welshes assad crossed the line and there have not been enormous consequences. he talked in the interview yesterday, not enormous but said consequences in ukraine. here's the president. >> hello everybody. before i begin, just want to express on behalf of the american people our deepest condolences to the republic or korea and the families of all those who have seen their loved ones lost when a ferry sank within the last couple of days. obviously information still coming in. we know that many of the victims of this terrible tragedy were students, and american navy personnel and marines have been on the scene, helping with search and rescue. as one of our closest allies, our commitment to south korea is unwavering in good times and in bad and that's something i'll underscore during my visit to seoul next week. before i take questions, i'd also like to

now, putin's strategy is very transparent. his extraordinary call-in talk show today, the comes he made, he said he has authority from the russian parliament to use military force in ukraine. the support russia's giving these armed, ethnic russians who have barricaded themselves in ukrainian government buildings since last weekend, all of this is designed by putin to hollow out the kiev government to delegitimize it, to weaken it and set up these conversations in geneva today with secretarier can rained lavrov, the russian foreign minister, are going to be talking with the ukrainians in the eu about the future of the ukraine. the russians want a federation proposal to weaken the central government in kiev, give more problems to the regions. that is problemic for the united states and i think the ukrainian government. >> i wanted to explain this exchange between edward snowden, who happens to show up on this very controlled teleconference and asks a question of putin and let play a little bit of this and listen carefully to the

putin has a gun to his head in a lot of different ways. you're right if he takes these actions in the strongest terms it will impact not only himself but millions of russians who are going to rely on the money earned from moving that energy around. >> over the weekend "the new york times" dared him to do it. because they said that would be the beginning of the end of western reliance on russian energy exports. we're going to take a short break and when we come back we'll talk about the near-term future for russia, eastern ukraine and for the relationship with the rest of the world. this is inside story. >> you're watching inside story. i'm ray suarez. the russian currency, the russian stock market, and the ukrainian currency all declined in valley as the tension situation between the two countries has escalated. still with us mark jacobson , ana of the monterrey institute of international studies, and andre, executive board member for the ukrainian congress committee of america. today, andre, the e.u. announced more sanctions on members of

putin says they were. he said that without the presence of those troops, the referendum could not have taken place. the q and a basically is covering a lot of crimea and the ukraine for obvious reasons. speaking to the people of ukraine, standards of living will rise, standards will rise, and the military that stayed on and not gone pa back to ukraine will get four times as much. if there was a note of reassuran reassurance, i suppose, from vladimir putin, there's no way that russia and the ukraine can meet what is described as mutual agreement. we have too much to do with each other. >> as this meeting gets under way in geneva, are we any clearer as to what vladimir putin's intentions are for the region of the eastern ukraine. >> no, we are not. he's keeping his options very much open. nature's convinced and the u.s. is convinced there's 40,000 troops on the border. ukraine seems to be falling apart. the rebel separatists are growing in number, and the attempts by the kiev government to put down this wave

putin does not have a reverse gear.hits a wall, he doesn't stop and we have not erected a wall. >> ralph, good to see you. >> thanks, megyn. >>> breaking tonight in the frantic search for survivors in the ship sinking. that ill-fated ship plus coming up later on "hannity". >> my understanding, no matter what he pays they are not going to let him graze his cattle anymore so really, we have to balance the needs of a turtle and man and the needs and rights of property owners and this is a real intellectual and constitutional debate but shouldn't be about violence of arms and i hope the government will not be there in full arms and provoke a showdown and something terrible will happen. i hope that doesn't happen. bros to business cards to banners. everything... except your client's attention. thousands of products added every day to staples.com, even bullhorns. how much? [ male announcer ] staples. make more happen. marge: you know, there's a more enjoyable even bullhorns. how much? way to get your fiber. try phillips fiber

it is not just putin. as a political class which has opinions, public support is running overwhelmingly in favor of russian policy. putin will compromise of these negotiations, but he will not back off if confronted militarily. >> i want to ask about the situation in russia, especially the -- some reports are that 's population has surged. movement beginning to gather strength against the more authoritarian aspects of russian society. >> since this is democracy now!, let me assert my agent credential. in the 1970's i lived in russia along within soviet dissidents. they were great people, pro-democracy, struggled and paid the price. they were marginalized. this struggle has continued, even under putin. but the results of this confrontation, east-west confrontation, and i can't emphasize how fundamental and important it is, is going to set back whatever prospects remain in russia for further democratization or re-democratization and possibly a whole generation. it is simply going to take all the traction the

what is putin after in all of this? well, according to officials in the west, the kremlin is working to break ukraine apart into regions that can then vote to join russia. exactly what we saw when putin took over crimea. kremlin officials deny that. they say they're just trying to protect russian peeking people in eastern ukraine from so-called western backed terror attacks. fox news can report there is no such evidence of any attacks. the united states ambassador to the united nations spoke at an emergency security council meting and said president putin is spreading fiction. >> the fact it this is the saddest kind of instability. it is completely manmade. this instability was written and choreographed. in and by russia. >> written and choreographed. now the white house has threatened to slap russia with even more economic punishment. like the one the west put in place after russia took over cream ya. but if the past is any indicator, instant doesn't seem to bother putin one lea is live with us. what are we learning fr

president putin has been giving his annual q & a.le in peninsula will soon feel the benefits of joining russia. meanwhile talks have just begun in geneva. the meeting is the first since clashes erupted in eastern ukraine. face . says russia will increasing penalties. twitter will begin trading on nasdaq today. weibo is begin trading on asdaq today. the c.e.o. will speak with bloomberg later at 6:00 p.m. london time. 1:00 p.m. in new york. now let's stay on tech with a look at photo sharing apps. who would go up against facebook, instagram and snap chat? an israeli start-up is launching an app designed to help parents share pictures of their kids while still keeping them private. elliott gotkine spoke with the founder. >> after talking with a lot of israeli and american parents, we are sure there is a painful problem for a lot of parents. i'm a parent too. also i'm a co-founder and we take so many photos and sharing them in a high quality way is a pain for us and so many other parents. actually persuaded potential backers to invest in

putin personally.goal is to change his calculous with respect to how the current actions that he's engages in in ukraine could have an adverse impact on the russian economy over the long haul. >> reporter: notably absent from the new measures are some of russia's most powerful businessmen and companies, including the natural gas giant that supplies europe with most of its energy. also absent for now, sanctions on entire sectors of the russian economy. those omissions led to sharp criticism from capitol hill. >> this is basically a rehash of what's already occurred. so we've been pushing for a portion of sectoral sanctions, sanctions against some of the -- four of the largest banking institutions in russia so they would have an impact on the economy. we've ended up with nothing more than a slap on the wrist approach today. >> reporter: with 40,000 to a,000 russian troops still poised on the border, many see a stealth invasion already under way. with pro-russian militants occupying entire towns. one area

i think we've had quite a long message from vladimir putin. he spoke an hour and 45 minutes just on ukraine and crimea. the televised phone-in which he's taking part in is continuing. it's quite interesting he focused such a long time on the crisis. in that time i think he sought to insure anyone in crimea for the first time able to take part in this phone-in. it's now under russian control. and the rest of russia that had concerns or grievances about russia's involvement in ukraine has started. so that was really what he sought to do. it may reassure people at home. a broad it leaves people wondering who the russian president is trying to kid. there's more denial russia is involved in the ukraine, something ukrainian authorities certainly dispute. >> tom in moscow, thank you. >>> tens of thousands of people have gone across a dozen states to cast ballots in the biggest day of voting in the indian election. 121 parliamentary seats are up for grabs in 12 states. the hindu nationalist bjp and candidate modi is seen by krit a ices as muslim. it's

it's not like putin's russia. russia is putin. he is a unique russian leader, you like him or hate him? russia could not have anybody else. that's the major question. when you do with mr. putin you are dealing with russia or are you dealing with a symbol you have to change? when putin talked to obama, and you keep telling me obama doesn't -- obama doing wrong thing. putin represents russia as i see. he is kind of, catching public mood, very successfully. you're dealing with a political enemy. so who's going to win? of course rush is going to win because it's like putin is very much adequate for the country. again, do you like the country or not? represents 85% of popular to, i can't believe it. you know, now. unfortunately. but if you're dealing with russia, not with putin's russia, it's a different picture. so how you build policy with russia is a long story. it comes from like -- [inaudible] a thousand years state history just a second. i understand the concern of post-soviet space, and small countries around russia. rush is jus

putin, and -- and his activity.s what lead for -- i would say losing cohesion of -- of this ruling group. >> is vladimir putin stronger now? >> the country has an economic problem, and we're facing economic crisis, deeper than before, and that's one of the reasons why mr. putin right now just heading these undertakings in crimea and ukraine as a whole, so that -- to create some kind of external enemy, and just to impose mobilization spirit in the country, and just to try to consider that it's russian people, and to create other intentions rather than to concentrate the problems reached in his government very soon in the economic and social fear as a result. that is the issue, despite the fact that oil price at a high level but economy doesn't work at all. we already have one year and six months we don't have growth of industrial output. already more than six months we don't have gdp growth. and last two months we already have decline in gdp. it means mr. putin will face a problem of increased pension bs and wages, b

what's the signal to vladimir putin? all talk, and no action. >> there's talk of a third world war. >> the world has not yet forgotten the second world war but russia is already keen on starting a third world war. >> mr. obama convened an urgent conference call from seoul with four european leaders yet they are still baching at tougher sanctions so the president and the secretary of state are still talking tough for a new round of sanctions. >> for seven days, russia has refused to take a single concrete step in the right direction. >> and the rhetoric was backed up by hash tag diplomacy. the world stands hash tag united for korean. -- for the ukraine. she took action. >> i was highlighting the fact that they have not been following their hash tag with action. >> now, some breaking news senior u.s. official confirming to fox tonight that we should expect a new round of u.s. sanctions tarring russian entities as well as individuals as early as monday. >> the former head of the national security agency says russian leader

putin wants to control russian.t to see a fragmented russia and doesn't want to see chaos on his border. once you open up this can of worms sometimes you can lose control of these situations and let's look to the peteing on thursday to see if there's -- there's been lots of ideas put on, diplomatic solutions, reforming ukraine into a more federated society like we have, the united states, will that solve the problem? we'll find out this week. >> b.j., good to see you. thank you. >> thanks. >> remember those crazy pictures of all the nasty smog in china? that air pollution in asia could be faking weather patterns in other parts of the world, like here in the united states. according to a recent study. scientists say @2xvaáj asia air plugs'ingly soars past the levels recommendedded by the world health organization. look at the thick smog over beijing. you can barely see the buildings. here's a problem. researchers say by using commuter models they discovered the tiny particles of pollution are traveling across the pac

putin said it in his prez conference, it believe it is much less. unlike crimea wants to go to join russian federation. there are certain armed groups on the russian flags. the fighting now in eastern ukraine, but all showing the majority of the people living there don't want to move to russia. i think very seriously for the influence, but on the other hand it is a very serious option for the west with, to offer those people something interactive, and can they do it or not, it is a question for the part of the conference. >> it is an interesting point to turn to you, because you heard what nikolai was saying about a large number of ethnic russians not wanting to join russia. does that create an opening for a way to live inside the country, be russian, but still be ukrainian citizens? >> yes, of course. it's very similar situation in crimea too. because all developments in crimea, were not in accordance to the legislation, and international norms. talk about the crimea referendum, it is impossible to conduct with a military presence. with pressure of

could putin's goals show the weakness of nato? there doesn't seem to be any real credible threat that nato would act with any kind of military force to stop ukraine in advance. >> they've got an obligation to defend nato members. ukraine is not a nato member. so, you know, nato doesn't really have a mandate to come to ukraine's military defense. that said, nato is allianced to be a body pushing back against the expansion of any kind of russian dominance in the region. so i think that unfortunately, other than these exercises that you'll see, i think moving to more defensive ballistic missile systems in eastern europe and so forth, there's not a lot they can do in ukraine specifically. >> ambassador holiday, thank you for being here. >> thank you, joy. >>> coming up, just when you thought the immigration mess couldn't get uglier, it got uglier. the president pushing republicans to do something about it caused big pushbacks and yet another setback. >>> an update on the deadly ferry accident in south korea. search crews battled stron