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putin has to do on his own.what we can do is make sure we've increased the costs for actions that i think are not only destructive to ukraine but ultimately are going to be destructive to russia as well. all right. i got to get going. >> all right. that was the president announcing new sanctions on russia in coordination with our allies in europe. also stating emphatically that this is not a new cold war. nbc's chris jansing is still with us. chris, what did you make of the president's comments there? >> well, a what did you make of the president's comments? >> you could certainly feel the chill and it will be interesting to see if he gets a call the last time the u.s. imposed sanctions from vladimir putin. we talked about that a little bit this afternoon, happening on the day of the downing of the jet. it's important to note that he started and put this in the perspective of almost 300 lives that were lost that day and praising essentially the eu for stepping up because what he has been suggesting since that da
putin has to do on his own.what we can do is make sure we've increased the costs for actions that i think are not only destructive to ukraine but ultimately are going to be destructive to russia as well. all right. i got to get going. >> all right. that was the president announcing new sanctions on russia in coordination with our allies in europe. also stating emphatically that this is not a new cold war. nbc's chris jansing is still with us. chris, what did you make of the president's...
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putin will change. we'll see if he begins to press or he will pull back. >> we're going to ask you to stick around as we continue our coverage throughout this hour. we're going to have more on what the tragedy means for the airline involved, malaysia airlines. >> for struggling malaysia airlines it's two lost flights in four months. 534 lives. reaction on twitter, shock and surprise. unreal, one tweet says. malaysia airlines crash again. >> this is a tragic day. in what has already been a tragic year for malaysia. woman: what do you mean, homeowners insurance doesn't cover floods? [ heart rate increases ] man: a few inches of water caused all this? [ heart rate increases ] woman #2: but i don't even live near the water. what you don't know about flood insurance may shock you -- including the fact that a preferred risk policy starts as low as $129 a year. for an agent, call the number that appears on your screen. [laughs] again! again! when we're having this much fun, why quit? and bounty has no quit in
putin will change. we'll see if he begins to press or he will pull back. >> we're going to ask you to stick around as we continue our coverage throughout this hour. we're going to have more on what the tragedy means for the airline involved, malaysia airlines. >> for struggling malaysia airlines it's two lost flights in four months. 534 lives. reaction on twitter, shock and surprise. unreal, one tweet says. malaysia airlines crash again. >> this is a tragic day. in what has...
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and the fact that putin and it's clear, i think that putin and the russians made this technology, thise it to the ukrainian separatists, most likely had to train them in it. you have to be responsible for what happens after that. i think we should take very severe economic action and also symbolic action, like cutting off air flights landing rights in the united states and europe. making every effort to keep them from hosting the next world cup in 2016 and going after their personal assets. >> i hear you say the u.s. needs to take the lead and president obama. how do you get other western allies on board? >> well, i give david cameron, the british prime minister, a lot of credit for the statement he made yesterday, extremely critical of putin and also very critical of his fellow european leaders for not taking strong enough action. and the fact that so many europeans were killed on this plane and the flight emanated from europe, that should be a galvanizing moment. and it should be up to the president working with david cameron to mobilize that support. >> let's talk about vladimir put
and the fact that putin and it's clear, i think that putin and the russians made this technology, thise it to the ukrainian separatists, most likely had to train them in it. you have to be responsible for what happens after that. i think we should take very severe economic action and also symbolic action, like cutting off air flights landing rights in the united states and europe. making every effort to keep them from hosting the next world cup in 2016 and going after their personal assets....
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so is putin playing us? "wall street journal" deputy editor dan henninger and editorial board member matt kaminski join me with more. matt, a lot of people hoped -- i'm not saying expected -- that the malaysia airlines shoot-down might stop the war in ukraine. it hasn't worked out that way. >> no. i mean, it was a very big event for us, for the world, that was really forced to wake up to the conflict. but unfortunately it was actually not that big of an event and didn't really change the calculus either for the ukrainians who are trying to defeat essentially foreign troops on their soil and trying to defend their country against russia. nor did it change putin calcu s calculus. >> why wouldn't it change putin's calculus? you've seen the headlines essentially putting the burden, the blame on putin. why hasn't he shifted his calculus? >> because i think something important happened earlier this month in the weeks before the shoot-down when both we and the europeans threatened sanctions and then didn't move to
so is putin playing us? "wall street journal" deputy editor dan henninger and editorial board member matt kaminski join me with more. matt, a lot of people hoped -- i'm not saying expected -- that the malaysia airlines shoot-down might stop the war in ukraine. it hasn't worked out that way. >> no. i mean, it was a very big event for us, for the world, that was really forced to wake up to the conflict. but unfortunately it was actually not that big of an event and didn't really...
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putin is trying to explain it. these are people who hate i russians. >> they live in -- the russian citizens are buying it. >>>> people in russia live in a close space. they don't have access to othery sorts of dinformation. >> would you lie. to your own e people so systemically that's how you can take a country to war. you pack yourself in a corner and you end up having to strike out at the world. i talked to a senator this week and the white house was telling upset with the western europeans they're doing nothingh about putin. as if they're the people who is supposed to lead in resisting putin. what do you think of that? the europeans are effectless. >> the europeans are simply not going to lead. look. no. germany.oi germany, after two world wars, is never going to take the initiative.ma you talk tony germans and they y there's no possibility that is lead the situation that could lead to war. you have a mess over there.ss the only way anything is going h toe happen is if the united states -- if barack obama send
putin is trying to explain it. these are people who hate i russians. >> they live in -- the russian citizens are buying it. >>>> people in russia live in a close space. they don't have access to othery sorts of dinformation. >> would you lie. to your own e people so systemically that's how you can take a country to war. you pack yourself in a corner and you end up having to strike out at the world. i talked to a senator this week and the white house was telling upset...
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the people in that room with vladimir putin in that video. some of them in those images look visibly uncomfortable as he spoke. there you see their faces. the analysts we spoke to say they're not likely panicking, but they are worried, plenty, about the pressures on russia's military and economy. as one analyst said, they don't have the gambler's gene that vladimir putin has. wolf? >> brian, putin may have some other headaches, as well, due to a personal connection he has to the netherlandses, right? >> it's pretty extraordinary. according to various reports, one of putin's lives in the netherlands. most of the victims of the malaysia air shoot down lives there. at least one political leader there wants putin's daughter deported, and there are reportedly calls for a protest to be held outside her home. vladimir putin tonight, wolf, taking it from all sides. >> brian todd reporting for us. thanks very much. >>> stand by, we've got more breaking news. we're just getting a statement from the white house. the president has just spoken with john k
the people in that room with vladimir putin in that video. some of them in those images look visibly uncomfortable as he spoke. there you see their faces. the analysts we spoke to say they're not likely panicking, but they are worried, plenty, about the pressures on russia's military and economy. as one analyst said, they don't have the gambler's gene that vladimir putin has. wolf? >> brian, putin may have some other headaches, as well, due to a personal connection he has to the...
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interesting he's singling out putin by name time and time again. russia and putin have direct responsibility to compel the separatists to grant access. the president put a fine point on it, del. what are they trying to hide? the president by insisting on hope and free access to maintain the integrity of that crash site is basically confident in those investigators are allowed an impartial international investigators they will find evidence that implicates the separatists and are russia. if the evidence is tampered with, the president said what do they have to hide? no news broken in terms of further sanctions. the president repeated what he's said for months about the need for vladimir putin to get in line and stop this. trying to keep the pressure on putin to allow access to the site and speaking to the europeans to get finally tough with vladimir putin and russia. >> one of the things that i think the president is pointing out, as have the other leaders around the world, if the pro-russian separatists are responsible for shooting down the malaysi
interesting he's singling out putin by name time and time again. russia and putin have direct responsibility to compel the separatists to grant access. the president put a fine point on it, del. what are they trying to hide? the president by insisting on hope and free access to maintain the integrity of that crash site is basically confident in those investigators are allowed an impartial international investigators they will find evidence that implicates the separatists and are russia. if the...
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accounts that suggest that putin feels pressure, putin's backing down, i just don't see it.omeone must stand up to him. someone must lead the world to get europe to understand that they're going to have to suffer economically and stand up to him. someone must do that. >> there are, you know, all sorts of calls for the president to call putin a thug or to man up or whatever else as we heard in the joke sound bite bumping in. but isn't this about a line that has been crossed? it's not about draw nearly mass murder in the sky, about the europeans consistently failing to do nothing really when it comes to vladimir putin's thuggery and aggression. and i would not be surprised if a lot of this came down to power in the united nations. very strongly already, much more strongly than has the president and the united states, and the harken back to 1962 and adlai stevenson and the cuban missile crisis and the united states government has all the intelligence on hand to show exactly the heat seeking, the arc of the missile, where it was fired from, when it was fired, the time elapsed be
accounts that suggest that putin feels pressure, putin's backing down, i just don't see it.omeone must stand up to him. someone must lead the world to get europe to understand that they're going to have to suffer economically and stand up to him. someone must do that. >> there are, you know, all sorts of calls for the president to call putin a thug or to man up or whatever else as we heard in the joke sound bite bumping in. but isn't this about a line that has been crossed? it's not about...
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the middle east number two that's an example which has followed if true that what i would call mr putin zero sum game diplomacy where what russia gains the us loses and vice versa i heard you say many times that putin is logically trying to play this zero sum game while obama is going for a win win but i wonder who just who actually won from obama's policies because if you look at his approval ratings he came south into bellew's ing not to mention the people of libya the people of syria the people of ukraine and the list can go on and on what is this win win i mean who is winning from this win when i wouldn't characterize mr obama's policies as win when i would characterize them with the following words i got us out of iraq and getting us out of afghanistan and not getting involved in syria and now and not getting involved in iraq again so basically the u.s. is withdrawing while the russians are moving forward we see this in a case to try to replace the u.s. in egypt with arms supplies trying to replace to a certain extent the u.s. in iraq also with arms supplies and not being helpful a
the middle east number two that's an example which has followed if true that what i would call mr putin zero sum game diplomacy where what russia gains the us loses and vice versa i heard you say many times that putin is logically trying to play this zero sum game while obama is going for a win win but i wonder who just who actually won from obama's policies because if you look at his approval ratings he came south into bellew's ing not to mention the people of libya the people of syria the...
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everyone says it's putin and putin alone.mean the united states bears no responsibility for what is happening in ukraine since february? >> that's a good question for governor richardson, right? >> yes. >> did the -- you think it wouldn't have happened, this particular situation, had the obama administration been more forceful when russia took crimea? >> well, i think the international response of the united states was the right one. i'm not -- i'm a bit concerned that some of our european friends did not put some stronger sanctions. but that's probably because of the natural gas component of the russia relationship with the european union. >> but governor, what should the response be now? >> but i think my point here is that i think the administration's response today has been the correct one. let's get all the facts. >> yes. but when the facts are borne out, if it did come from russia, then what should the international community and the u.s. do? >> well, then i think there are several steps. one, i think you're going to se
everyone says it's putin and putin alone.mean the united states bears no responsibility for what is happening in ukraine since february? >> that's a good question for governor richardson, right? >> yes. >> did the -- you think it wouldn't have happened, this particular situation, had the obama administration been more forceful when russia took crimea? >> well, i think the international response of the united states was the right one. i'm not -- i'm a bit concerned that...
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with as put what is is putin thinking. >> i think putin is thinking right now, first of all, he says my goal was to destabilize ukraine enough to that it is definite that ukraine will not be part of the western institutions. the european union or nato. this was his first goal. i think he has achieved that. he will resort to all kind of means to stop trouble when the moment comes and it looks like things are too smooth. right now he's totally satisfied with running or owning quote/unquote, crimea. i have no doubt that of course, at any moment he can turn the switch on and we will be back to a lot of trouble. the fact that we don't see him visibly present eastern ukrainian conflict at this moment does not mean that he is not fully in control of the insurgencies. >> mr. lucas. >> yeah, i think mr. putin thinks that we're weak and he's winning. >> i agree. i was always in support of strong sanctions hopefully targeted one that's were painful to him, not us. when we were talking about sanctions that were a double edged sword i really wanted to stop talking about them because they weren't
with as put what is is putin thinking. >> i think putin is thinking right now, first of all, he says my goal was to destabilize ukraine enough to that it is definite that ukraine will not be part of the western institutions. the european union or nato. this was his first goal. i think he has achieved that. he will resort to all kind of means to stop trouble when the moment comes and it looks like things are too smooth. right now he's totally satisfied with running or owning quote/unquote,...
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end of the day the single most important thing to putin shockingly enough is putin and putinism. think he'll be tough at first. he will be his normal pushy self but if it's clear this time it doesn't work and the europeans do get serious about joining the u.s. >> are they going to get serious, richard? >> i think it will be hard for them to continue business as usual especially for the french and the dutch could take the lead here and press some of their european colleagues but if that were to happen, i think putin could decide essentially the costs outweigh the benefits and he has to tactically pull back. at the end of the day he has used ukraine to bolster his own position. if things in ukraine get to the point where they threaten his own position, why wouldn't he push back, why wouldn't he basically change course here? >> yep. we are hearing already from more leaders on this. germany's merkel, england's cameron that the perpetrators must be held responsible. >> the person i would watch here is chancellor merkel. more than anyone else, she is now the real leader of europe. it's
end of the day the single most important thing to putin shockingly enough is putin and putinism. think he'll be tough at first. he will be his normal pushy self but if it's clear this time it doesn't work and the europeans do get serious about joining the u.s. >> are they going to get serious, richard? >> i think it will be hard for them to continue business as usual especially for the french and the dutch could take the lead here and press some of their european colleagues but if...
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this is why putin has felt emboldened to do this. it's not just putin. the iranians are looking at this, the syrians are looking at this, the chinese are looking at this, north korea's looking at this, al qaeda's looking at this. just as we saw consequences in ukraine this week that started in syria, the consequences of inaction now in ukraine and not imposing consequences might be felt somewhere else in the world. this is very dangerous stuff. we have to stop projecting weakness or tragedy is going to happen. >> people are watching us. and they're listening very carefully. marc, good to see you. >> thanks, megyn. >>> so what about the president's suggestion? you heard it a moment ago that there is no military role for the united states here beyond supporting nato. joining me now retired four-star general jack keane, a fox news military analyst. general, the president took military action or involvement or help squarely off the table today. was that the right move? >> well, no, absolutely not. first of all, i think, i totally associate myself with marc's
this is why putin has felt emboldened to do this. it's not just putin. the iranians are looking at this, the syrians are looking at this, the chinese are looking at this, north korea's looking at this, al qaeda's looking at this. just as we saw consequences in ukraine this week that started in syria, the consequences of inaction now in ukraine and not imposing consequences might be felt somewhere else in the world. this is very dangerous stuff. we have to stop projecting weakness or tragedy is...
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putin is the game changer here. eats taking this country in a very different direction and he could be president for a long time. frankly maybe another 10 years. and this is a real challenge to the west. >> rose: what could turn, what accident could happen to turn it from a cold war to a hot war? >> well, any number of things. there's a lot of incentive for that not to happen obviously and that's not where we are today. but he could make a decision to invade ukraine and you could have then, we've had now forth first time -- >> rose: what happened if he invaded ukraine. >> as i said, it would bedz a pretty ferocious reaction by the united states. >> rose: noirs would be met with force. >> i didn't say we would -- nobody's talking about that but in terms of isolation and in terms of additional sanctions which by the way russia is exceedingly vulnerable to and next stage of sanctions called secttorial sansions but the bigger picture globally is what you're talking about. >> rose: in what way. >> in terms of dynamics in
putin is the game changer here. eats taking this country in a very different direction and he could be president for a long time. frankly maybe another 10 years. and this is a real challenge to the west. >> rose: what could turn, what accident could happen to turn it from a cold war to a hot war? >> well, any number of things. there's a lot of incentive for that not to happen obviously and that's not where we are today. but he could make a decision to invade ukraine and you could...
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we've seen president obama speaking out against vladimir putin saying that putin has control over this control over these separatists. and we've been hearing from our correspondent in moscow that despite what putin said earlier today, the anti-ukraine, anti-america rhetoric is still spewing forth from russian media in moscow. >> that's right, andrea. and i think this is an important step that the malaysian government would have access to the black boxes. but it's been four days. and those russian separatists have completely disregarded the civilized world in wanting the remains of the victims to be returned, wanting the crash site to be treated with some respect and wanted international -- the proper international authorities to be given access so president obama was surely right in his statement just a couple of hours ago. the russian government has the capacity to end this crisis, but it chooses not to do that. and i just -- i think the president was very much right to say that. what the president needs to do this week is push europe hard for strong sec tsectoral sanctions. that's th
we've seen president obama speaking out against vladimir putin saying that putin has control over this control over these separatists. and we've been hearing from our correspondent in moscow that despite what putin said earlier today, the anti-ukraine, anti-america rhetoric is still spewing forth from russian media in moscow. >> that's right, andrea. and i think this is an important step that the malaysian government would have access to the black boxes. but it's been four days. and those...
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that president putin has to do on his own. is make sure we have increased the costs for actions that i think are not only destructive to ukraine and ultimately destruct tonight to russia as well. >> attempt to discredit secretary kerry? >> the president answering a couple of off the cuff questions there from reporters. the headline today, the experts of goods and technology to russia's energy section -- sector, i should say -- now blocked. no exporting of goods and technology to the russian energy sector from the united states. further sanctions on its finance sector and arms sector and the president saying this will take a bigger bite out of things. i might also get a headline the president said this is not a cold war. if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck -- i don't know. it's not a new cold war. wendell goler at the white house. do you first. there's no if this done work, then what next policy laid out for today, but there's no doubt that these are tougher sanctions from both the eu and the u.s. >> they're tougher a
that president putin has to do on his own. is make sure we have increased the costs for actions that i think are not only destructive to ukraine and ultimately destruct tonight to russia as well. >> attempt to discredit secretary kerry? >> the president answering a couple of off the cuff questions there from reporters. the headline today, the experts of goods and technology to russia's energy section -- sector, i should say -- now blocked. no exporting of goods and technology to the...
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but the signal is pretty clear to vladimir putin. you can do with the block box whatever you want to do but there's a lot of other ways we can gather information on this. general griffin has gone through this. all the radar installations of nato around europe, all of the ground installations of all these other countries, eventually will get to the bottom of this. and the world is watching also reminds europe, you're part of the world, you have to step up on the sanctions against russia. no more holding back. that was another subliminal message. >> yesterday it was announced, the president was to speak at -- i believe it was 3:15 yesterday afternoon. he was late but at 3:15 eastern time we got wore word from the european union their doing the sanctions. those sanctions are minimal. >> there's reason for that. there's politics. europe is heavily integrated with the economy of russia, heavily dependent on russia for energy. 30% of the gas supply of western europe comes from russia's gas company, and goes in pipelines cruise ukraine. so,
but the signal is pretty clear to vladimir putin. you can do with the block box whatever you want to do but there's a lot of other ways we can gather information on this. general griffin has gone through this. all the radar installations of nato around europe, all of the ground installations of all these other countries, eventually will get to the bottom of this. and the world is watching also reminds europe, you're part of the world, you have to step up on the sanctions against russia. no more...
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call putin out by name.all russians out by name and make it very clear that the united states will embolden our nato allies. i say restart the missile defense shield and make it clear, look the reset didn't work. so, by vladmir putin's own choosing, they're now going to have to pay a penalty and rally the europeans with us on economic sanctions, step them up and make the russian economy feel it. russia is paper tiger. their economy is $2 trillion. our is about $18 trillion. they're not our equal. they're a 20th century gas station. we need to make that clear. bill: adam kinzinger, thank you for your time from washington. >> thank you. bill: heather. heather: israeli leaders they are now saying they will expand their invasion of gaza after ground troops march into the disputed territory. we're live on the israeli border. that is up next. bill: russia under fire. was putin and russia responsible for the attack that brought down this malaysian airlines jet? that is a debate that continues today. >> well the guy
call putin out by name.all russians out by name and make it very clear that the united states will embolden our nato allies. i say restart the missile defense shield and make it clear, look the reset didn't work. so, by vladmir putin's own choosing, they're now going to have to pay a penalty and rally the europeans with us on economic sanctions, step them up and make the russian economy feel it. russia is paper tiger. their economy is $2 trillion. our is about $18 trillion. they're not our...
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putin will laugh at that. look, we're not going to get involved in military activity. we are limited in the sanctions we can impose on them because when we impose sanctions on them, the sanctions hurt our allies in europe. >> but even calling attention to this. i mean, if we now don't do something, are we risking looking feckless? >> yes, we are. >> apparently we can prove no more than they test fired it, which is different than actually launching it. >> we cannot violate ourselves. we will lose all moral authority in the world if we think that because the soviet -- forgive me, that's what putin would want us to say. because russia violated this treaty, we are now no longer bound by it. we cannot do that. we have to have the upper hand. but we do not have a president that manifests strength, steadfastness or security when it comes to the american people. >> he certainly -- >> only god knows what he's going to do in the next couple of weeks. it will be political. it won't be moral. >> vladimir putin seems to be
putin will laugh at that. look, we're not going to get involved in military activity. we are limited in the sanctions we can impose on them because when we impose sanctions on them, the sanctions hurt our allies in europe. >> but even calling attention to this. i mean, if we now don't do something, are we risking looking feckless? >> yes, we are. >> apparently we can prove no more than they test fired it, which is different than actually launching it. >> we cannot...
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government has been sharpening its focus on putin. >> president putin can make a huge difference herehe chooses to. >> earlier today, secretary of state john kerry issued this warning to putin just hours after the state department said that russia violated a decades old missile treaty by testing intermediate range cruise missiles. that determination came on monday, the same day the white house announced a new round of economic sanctions against russia and then today, the european union announced it was joining in was economic sanctions of its own against russian cans so-called putin cronies said to have benefitted from a destabilized ukraine. and russia's hosting of the next world cup in 2018 could be the next target. the uk's deputy prime minister nick clegg told the sunday times of london fifa should pull the plug on the games saying putin "can't have his cake and eat it." it wasn't so long ago, of course, that the united states and russia were enjoying a much cozier relationship. >> i looked the man in the eye. i found him to be very straightforward and trustworthy. >> now even for
government has been sharpening its focus on putin. >> president putin can make a huge difference herehe chooses to. >> earlier today, secretary of state john kerry issued this warning to putin just hours after the state department said that russia violated a decades old missile treaty by testing intermediate range cruise missiles. that determination came on monday, the same day the white house announced a new round of economic sanctions against russia and then today, the european...
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she told fareed zakaria she was skeptical of vladimir putin. >> i was among the most skeptical of putin during the time that i was there. in part because i thought he had never given up on his vision of bringing mother russia back to the forefront. not by looking at what russia could do to be a modern nation, but by looking to the past and especially trying to control their borders from central asia to the baltics. >> ben, i take it you think the idea of a reset with russia was a failure? >> yeah. i think that may be the most captain obvious statement of the year. i'm glad to know that hillary clinton when she was secretary of state knew that vladimir putin wasn't a good guy, but that also tells you a lot about this administration. i mean, this idea that she even thinks there's been a reset. you have a country that's arming people and they may very well have been shooting at passenger plane down. a reset did not work, hillary. it's a failure. and for her to act like a reset worked, go talk to those families who have loved ones. they still haven't gotten their bodies back. ask femthem if
she told fareed zakaria she was skeptical of vladimir putin. >> i was among the most skeptical of putin during the time that i was there. in part because i thought he had never given up on his vision of bringing mother russia back to the forefront. not by looking at what russia could do to be a modern nation, but by looking to the past and especially trying to control their borders from central asia to the baltics. >> ben, i take it you think the idea of a reset with russia was a...
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putin in ukraine. erect the soviet union and it is against what the people of ukraine want. the european union final leap got smart and enabled georgia and ukraine to form a partnership with them for entry in the eu. and i think we need to show putin that we stand with the the people of ukraine and i would give them military equipment and allow them to defend themselves. nreal fast. do you agree with the statement of josh earnest this week that obama is improved the tranquilitty of the global community. was he kidding? >> i don't know. >> dow agree yes or no. elliott. >> you sound like a j. i think the president is doing the best he can. and i think he needs to get tougher with putin. and sanctions brought iowa ran to the the knows and we need more sanctions to bring putin to the knees. >> congressman, thank you. >> coming up, the world in crisis and america security in risk. this administration doesn't so many to know who the enemy is, that's next. (vo) the red-eyes. (daughter) i'm really tired. (dad)
putin in ukraine. erect the soviet union and it is against what the people of ukraine want. the european union final leap got smart and enabled georgia and ukraine to form a partnership with them for entry in the eu. and i think we need to show putin that we stand with the the people of ukraine and i would give them military equipment and allow them to defend themselves. nreal fast. do you agree with the statement of josh earnest this week that obama is improved the tranquilitty of the global...
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vladimir putin made his point. if he's serious, he can move in the direction of getting the people in eastern ukraine to back down. theoretically he may not have much control. practically, i think he does. until he's prepared to do that, there's not a lot to talk about. >> i'm interested in the idea he may not have much control. are you saying he might have unleashed forces not easy to rein in. certainly that's true, but he could move in that direction and stop the war on propa canneda, you must under that ukraine has its roll, and that russia faces a fundamental choice. do they want to do what lenin did, stand aloof, or to try to be part of the west. they had no choice. and vladimir putin might be successful in the short term with public opinion, in the long term he'll be the loser if he doesn't change what he's doing. >> we'll take a short break and discuss the ongoing confrontation much how do you unreal this, how do you undo some of the damage done over the last several months. can you. this is "inside story."
vladimir putin made his point. if he's serious, he can move in the direction of getting the people in eastern ukraine to back down. theoretically he may not have much control. practically, i think he does. until he's prepared to do that, there's not a lot to talk about. >> i'm interested in the idea he may not have much control. are you saying he might have unleashed forces not easy to rein in. certainly that's true, but he could move in that direction and stop the war on propa canneda,...
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vladmir putin does not want this to happen. he's afraid that culpability will be firmly established. you need a clear demand for this, from not just president obama but also our european allies and if the russians don't allow this to happen, then there should be sanctions placed on -- further sanctions placed on rush ons. >> there are some norms to international behavior and one of them is that if an airliner crashes, you let investigators in there. now, the ukrainians apparently have their hands tied. they can't really provide full unfetterred access to this crash site because it's in territory held by the pro russian rebels. is there going to be any price paid? i mean, if this investigation continues to be botched, will vladmir putin, will the rebels pay any kind of a price? that depends largely on europe and the united states. the united states last week put down some serious sanctions on the russian economy for their aggression in ukraine. europeans did not. europe is not getting angry at what's happened and maybe this will
vladmir putin does not want this to happen. he's afraid that culpability will be firmly established. you need a clear demand for this, from not just president obama but also our european allies and if the russians don't allow this to happen, then there should be sanctions placed on -- further sanctions placed on rush ons. >> there are some norms to international behavior and one of them is that if an airliner crashes, you let investigators in there. now, the ukrainians apparently have...
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putin is very good as exploiting divisions within and among states. we need to do a series of measures to take these states between russia and west and bring them safely into the west and outside and away from putin's influence as much as we can. >> to your point, it does seem putin's strategy, the west's concern is to divide and conger. it seems to be working, david cameron calling the sale of arms unthinkable and arms sales in britain, britain is selling tens of millions of pounds of arms to russia, including all sorts of different things. without a united front from the west, is putin going to have his way. >> he has leverage and it is why the sanctions which everyone is focused on is something we should pursue. i think the sanctions will never be powerful enough to get putin to stop what easy doing. it's a problem. the french don't want to cut their military assistance to russia. germany is afraid to lose the source of gas from russia and europe and the u.k. is concerned about jeopardizing financial ties with russia. that's why we should push them
putin is very good as exploiting divisions within and among states. we need to do a series of measures to take these states between russia and west and bring them safely into the west and outside and away from putin's influence as much as we can. >> to your point, it does seem putin's strategy, the west's concern is to divide and conger. it seems to be working, david cameron calling the sale of arms unthinkable and arms sales in britain, britain is selling tens of millions of pounds of...
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>> is putin a rationalal actor? >> putin ought to own up. >> we have to make sure that the truth is out. >> i'm coming from the los angeles convention center at the annual meeting for the national council. first we are following the latest news in the crash of malaysian flight 17. reports over the weekend about obstruction and confiscation of evidence from the crash site by russian separatists. president obama laid out his bomb line. >> the separatist are removing ed from the crash site. so it begs the question what are they trying to hide. president putin needs to cooperate with the investigation, that is the least they can do. >> finally departed the crash site. this afternoon separatist rebels -- positive developments came after president putin in an early morning video message pledged cooperation at the crash site and called for a diplomatic solution to the crisis in ukraine. president obama commended putin's -- warned of any continued support for the separatists. >> if russia continues to violent ukraine's sove
>> is putin a rationalal actor? >> putin ought to own up. >> we have to make sure that the truth is out. >> i'm coming from the los angeles convention center at the annual meeting for the national council. first we are following the latest news in the crash of malaysian flight 17. reports over the weekend about obstruction and confiscation of evidence from the crash site by russian separatists. president obama laid out his bomb line. >> the separatist are removing...
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putin. bill: steve harrigan is on the ground live in donetsk, in eastern ukraine where there is renewed fighting underway again there. steve what is going on? >> reporter: bill, in this major city of donetsk a million civilians living, you can see a plume of smoke rising behind me. there is a tank battle going on in this city. both side, pro-russian rebels backed by russian artillery and ukrainian side. they are seeing 50-year-old russian tanks drive into the battle, which is going on around the train station in donetsk. every few minutes we're hearing what seems to be grad rocket launchers. these are really anti-personnel rockets, really fired into a large city. the results could be devastating for civilians. although we've been seeing a lot of people leaving the scene, carrying their bags, carrying their pets, other people a little bit indifferent to what is some real danger within a mile with that train station and several other buildings simply up in flames. what we're seeing now is a pu
putin. bill: steve harrigan is on the ground live in donetsk, in eastern ukraine where there is renewed fighting underway again there. steve what is going on? >> reporter: bill, in this major city of donetsk a million civilians living, you can see a plume of smoke rising behind me. there is a tank battle going on in this city. both side, pro-russian rebels backed by russian artillery and ukrainian side. they are seeing 50-year-old russian tanks drive into the battle, which is going on...
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what putin decides to do will be the key to their survival. with what they already have, they can hold on. if they don't have the constant resupply and support from the russians, their supplies will dwindle and they will start to lose people and if they don't get support from across the border, eventually ukrainians will emerge victorious. >> do you see it as the tipping point? >> i agree with bob on this. i think putin will double down. we are going back to the cold war. >> jim? >> well, lots of strong words and reaction to this, and talk of new sanctions, but since the start of the ukraine crisis, there have been strong words from the west, and does putin care about international reaction to this or economic sanctions? >> i think the most important thing to remember about all of this, and this has been true all along, and the most important thing to putin is insuring that ukraine doesn't have a successful popular resolution, and they don't have a newly elected president, which they have now, and the reaction we have seen in eastern ukraine i
what putin decides to do will be the key to their survival. with what they already have, they can hold on. if they don't have the constant resupply and support from the russians, their supplies will dwindle and they will start to lose people and if they don't get support from across the border, eventually ukrainians will emerge victorious. >> do you see it as the tipping point? >> i agree with bob on this. i think putin will double down. we are going back to the cold war. >>...
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putin issued a brief statement. in the statement, he urged the pro-russian separatists to, among other things, allow international experts access to the crash site. he warned, quote, nobody should and no one has the right to use this tragedy to achieve selfish political ends. all comes as the u.n. security council expected to vote on the -- the government released some video. the video has not been verified by nbc news. the video does show what it says are three mobile missile launchers. these mobile missile launchers leaving rebel territory, headed for russia after the plane was downed with at least one missile missing. we are standing by in moscow. jim, let's start there. we know the international pressure is mounting against putin. inside russia, does it seem like the push could at least mount up enough that putin might begin to cut ties with the rebels or at least condemn their behavior? >> hey, craig. i hate to sound like the devil's advocate. it's hard to see putin do anything like that. anything like cutting
putin issued a brief statement. in the statement, he urged the pro-russian separatists to, among other things, allow international experts access to the crash site. he warned, quote, nobody should and no one has the right to use this tragedy to achieve selfish political ends. all comes as the u.n. security council expected to vote on the -- the government released some video. the video has not been verified by nbc news. the video does show what it says are three mobile missile launchers. these...
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>> i think that putin, if we consider putin a rational actor, and i do. sometimes you hear about him being delusional. no, i think he is a rational actor. but he has used old tools, and it has unleashed very ugly things in the russian society. people are starting to recognize that i had a meeting with poove povlovski, one of his political advisors for many years and he thinks tv became so ugly at the kremlin's initiative that it's unleashed forces and sentiments that have really gone even beyond putin's grasp. i went to see people who now have regular access to the air waves who would make linden larushe's people look like moderates. >> charlie: not just the separatists, but in russia. >> there's a connection. there are people like alexander who runs a newspaper and has for years called "tomorrow" filled with antisemitic and neo-imperialist rhetoric, and he used to be a marginal figure, now he's on national television all the time. this has aroused people's resentments, their anger at the west, their fury. i think we have to remember what happened 25 year
>> i think that putin, if we consider putin a rational actor, and i do. sometimes you hear about him being delusional. no, i think he is a rational actor. but he has used old tools, and it has unleashed very ugly things in the russian society. people are starting to recognize that i had a meeting with poove povlovski, one of his political advisors for many years and he thinks tv became so ugly at the kremlin's initiative that it's unleashed forces and sentiments that have really gone even...
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is in danger from putin if putin is blocking a door to a fundraiser that obama is late getting to. >nger plane has just been shut down. the state department didn't think to put it on the top of its agenda. that's next. i make a lot of purchases for my business. and i get a lot in return with ink plus from chase. like 50,000 bonus points when i spent $5,000 in the first 3 months after i opened my account. and i earn 5 times the rewards on internet, phone services and at office supply stores. with ink plus i can choose how to redeem my points. travel, gift cards, even cash back. and my rewards points won't expire. so you can make owning a business even more rewarding. ink from chase. so you can. ♪ ♪ baby, breakdown ♪ give it to me >>> with a ton of news breaking in the last 36 hours in the news business things can get hectic, sometimes things news gets reported smoothly, other times not so much. check out crystal ball over as msnbc making the working mistake of not listening to the guest, answering the question you just asked. >> u.s. staff sergeant michael boyd is at the u.s. embassy
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it doesn't change putin's calcul calculus.ng him change his mind about how aggressive he wants to be, in eastern ukraine. >> well, mr. chairman, it is chris cuomo in ukraine. where we're standing now, it makes it very clear that mr. putin hasn't had a change of mind. let me ask you two quick things. do you have intelligence to confirm that ukraine did not shoot down this plane because obviously the allegation here in ukraine by the self-appointed prime minister is that ukraine had access to the russian weapons as well. can you shoot that down, excuse the pun, as a theory? >> right. so what the analysts will say is that the nation state of ukraine does have these sa-11s, so so sophisticated antiaircraft missiles. there is nothing definitive and certain yet. but the evidence is mounting that it was, a, separatists involved, and, b, that maybe even the russians had a greater role in the actual operation of this system. remember, very sophisticated, takes lots of training, lots of maintenance, lots of solutions, understanding, in
it doesn't change putin's calcul calculus.ng him change his mind about how aggressive he wants to be, in eastern ukraine. >> well, mr. chairman, it is chris cuomo in ukraine. where we're standing now, it makes it very clear that mr. putin hasn't had a change of mind. let me ask you two quick things. do you have intelligence to confirm that ukraine did not shoot down this plane because obviously the allegation here in ukraine by the self-appointed prime minister is that ukraine had access...
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the west is losing putin's dangerous game. simon good to see you again, before we get to your article. the fighting continues in ukraine. there is also fighting inside the government. the prime minister resigned thursday as ukraine's prime minister after the ruling coalition in parliament collapsed. we have actually seen brawls inside parliament. is the government in disarray or is this am live a goo actually ? >> i wouldn't say it's a good sign nor a sign of disarray. it cements like the various parties in parliament that came to power came to prominence after the revolution in february, they want to lock in the patriotism that has come with the war. the perceived war against russia is certainly the civil con flick in the east. that's created a great wave of patriotism and sport for the president's fledglings political party and the other political forces that came to power after the revolution. so what they seem to be doing is breaking up the coalition to spark early elections. and that will allow thome capitalize on that pa
the west is losing putin's dangerous game. simon good to see you again, before we get to your article. the fighting continues in ukraine. there is also fighting inside the government. the prime minister resigned thursday as ukraine's prime minister after the ruling coalition in parliament collapsed. we have actually seen brawls inside parliament. is the government in disarray or is this am live a goo actually ? >> i wouldn't say it's a good sign nor a sign of disarray. it cements like the...
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putin is now facing enormous pressure.ly from a frustrated international community but inside his own country. brian todd explains. >> reporter: vladimir putin responded to this horror in predictable fashion by hunkering down, deflecting blame toward ukraine. this tragedy would not have happened if there had been peace on that land or if military operations in southeastern ukraine had not been renewed. >> reporter: but u.s. leaders are blunt. while he didn't set the launch codes, putin's support for the pro russian rebels in ukraine believed to have fired the missile place a heavy burden on the man in the kremlin. >> he has the most control over that situation. so far at least, he has not exercised it. >> i think he is responsible. >> reporter: analysts say in the immediate aftermath of the malaysia airlines crash, vladimir putin is under enormous pressure. >> this is one of the most difficult situations that vladimir putin has faced essential he first became president in 2000. >> reporter: of his most powerful partners, g
putin is now facing enormous pressure.ly from a frustrated international community but inside his own country. brian todd explains. >> reporter: vladimir putin responded to this horror in predictable fashion by hunkering down, deflecting blame toward ukraine. this tragedy would not have happened if there had been peace on that land or if military operations in southeastern ukraine had not been renewed. >> reporter: but u.s. leaders are blunt. while he didn't set the launch codes,...
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putin and for russia. russia needs to step up and prove it's bona fides to prove its willingness to put action behind words. >> the war is taking your time. what to gain between engagement of gaza and bombardment of gaza. >> this is a very difficult moment also and a difficult situation. israel has been under attack by rockets. i don't think any nation in the world would sit there while rockets are bombarding it and you know there are tunnels from which terrorists have come jumping up in the dead of night, some with handcuffs and tranquilizer drugs on them in an obvious effort to try to kidnap people and hold them for ransom. the fact is that is unacceptable by any standard anywhere in the world. israel has every right in the world to defend itself. but we're helpful, very hopeful we can quickly find a way forward to put a cease-fire in place so that the underlying issues, so that we can get to the questions. but you cannot reward terrorism. there can't be a set of precondition demands that are going to be
putin and for russia. russia needs to step up and prove it's bona fides to prove its willingness to put action behind words. >> the war is taking your time. what to gain between engagement of gaza and bombardment of gaza. >> this is a very difficult moment also and a difficult situation. israel has been under attack by rockets. i don't think any nation in the world would sit there while rockets are bombarding it and you know there are tunnels from which terrorists have come jumping...
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vladimir putin up until now has been very careful in what he's and cone. i tend to agree be with john. he does not like to be seen as doing things in response to western pressure. we may want to be in this corner. he made himself feel like he's alied himself with the thugs but he never wants to appear weak. in a weird way the more the u.s. citizen you have to stop this, the less likely he may be to do that. gwen: michael, where's the kiev government in all of this. they're talking about the pro-russian separatists but where is the new president? >> what the president would like is to negotiate some kind of a solution. what ukraine got in their last election was a man who has a decent relationship with putin and moss cow. he's not fully in the western camp or in the eastern camp so to speak. he's a guy that's kind of a bridge between the two worlds and i you thought he might be able to have a conversation with putin. when he came into office right away he said he was willing to talk but there's been very little time that moscow that putin has a real dip lat
vladimir putin up until now has been very careful in what he's and cone. i tend to agree be with john. he does not like to be seen as doing things in response to western pressure. we may want to be in this corner. he made himself feel like he's alied himself with the thugs but he never wants to appear weak. in a weird way the more the u.s. citizen you have to stop this, the less likely he may be to do that. gwen: michael, where's the kiev government in all of this. they're talking about the...
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what is putin's end game? >>le well, putin's end game is very clear from the outset.trying to destabilize all of ukraine. he zeroed in on eastern ukraine because he doesn't garner the type of support throughout the rest of the country as he's solicited in eastern ukraine. right now he's trying to destabilize the country as much as possible to get a negotiating process started between the government and the rebels and reach a situation where the rebels will be able to carve out a greater sense of autonomy and freedom in that part of ukraine, which will give him a strong influence in not only that particular region of ukraine but in also of ukraine. in other words, to continue the destabilization both politically and economically in ukraine. irng that's his overall goal and the tragedy of the mh17 has created a new scenario in which the international community as we have seen over the past few days has become very involved in zeroing in on what's going on in that part of ukraine and in that region. i think there's a chance here to move toward a more positive outcome wit
what is putin's end game? >>le well, putin's end game is very clear from the outset.trying to destabilize all of ukraine. he zeroed in on eastern ukraine because he doesn't garner the type of support throughout the rest of the country as he's solicited in eastern ukraine. right now he's trying to destabilize the country as much as possible to get a negotiating process started between the government and the rebels and reach a situation where the rebels will be able to carve out a greater...
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putin himself wants to see. he has the most control over the situation but hasn't exercised it. >> tougher sanctions? >> i think this will be a wake-up call for europe and the world that there are consequences to an escalating conflict in eastern ukraine. that it isn't going to be localized or contained. what we have seen here is just in one country alone our great allies, the dutch, 150 or more of their citizens being killed. and that i think sadly brings home the degree to which the stakes are high for europe not simply for the ukrainian people. we have to be firm in our resolve in making sure we are supporting ukrainian's efforts to bring about a just seize fire and we can move toward a political solution to this. last question. lisa? >> do we know if other americans were on board and how do you prevent restrictions without shocking the global economy? >> we have been pretty methodical over the last 24 hours in working through the flight manifest and identifying which passenger might have had a u.s. passport.
putin himself wants to see. he has the most control over the situation but hasn't exercised it. >> tougher sanctions? >> i think this will be a wake-up call for europe and the world that there are consequences to an escalating conflict in eastern ukraine. that it isn't going to be localized or contained. what we have seen here is just in one country alone our great allies, the dutch, 150 or more of their citizens being killed. and that i think sadly brings home the degree to which...