the putnam county clark says, no. the clerk says no. >> we're not talking about the rules of law anymore, we're talking about endangering our citizens. these laws were written almost 30 years ago, 30 years ago we didn't have computers. we didn't have facebook. we didn't have social media and we certainly didn't have google maps. >> i am not refusing because i want to be some sort of an upstart. i'm refusing because i could not live with myself if one of my pistol permit holders in the county had to face a dangerous situation. >> megyn: that was putnam county, new york clerk, county clerk dennis sant, explaining in a news conference why he will not hand over the names of gun permit owners in his county to the journal news newspaper. that paper created a national controversy when it decided to publish online maps detailing the names and addresses of thousands of gun permit holders, lawful gun permit holders in two counties. mr. sant argued, while the paper had the legal right to get the records, perhaps, he thought the

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what has been the reaction, by the way, from the people in putnam county to your decision? wonderful and i've gotten a great-- from rocklands county residents, in putnam county they were elaltted and privacy and keep them out of harm's way. >> sean: and not just gun owners. >> just as responsive as the gun owners. >> along the same lines, great sense of pride from the constituents that i've spoken do, they've been very proud that their elected officials have taken this battle on and you know, putnam county is a small county. you know, we are really only 50 miles north of new york city, but we're a proud county and a lot of first responders, retired active military personnel and they, you know, their concern runs deep, not only for their-- all their career they've been, you know, putting out the bad guy and now the bad guy knows and the rockland county sheriff says there's taunted. >> sean: you might disagree a little bit with judge jeanine, there might be recourse for some of the people who were outed. some of here. >> i think we're on the right side of this. >> sean: and r

we are a team at putnam county. ourselves to be colleagues and protecting the people and upholding the law and we looked at this and said, there is really no value to this. we felt that actually as if we did give that information out we would be subjecting residents to safety problems. >> i sat on it a few days just before christmas. i noticed what happened in rockland and westchester county. my phone started ringing off the wall. we got 400 phone calls within three-days of the published report. i was listening to many horror stories, women who had orders of protection against abusive husbands or spouses and they were exempt and sealed as par d of the law and now they find their address and their name on a google map. if you have ever used earth google you can get right into that backyard into that driveway. >> very scary. >> very scary for a lot of people. that's a separate issue in and of itself here. when you said no what was the reaction? >> from the journal news. we haven't key lidelivered our refusal. >> the p

two counties subjected to this, third county putnam. clerk in putnam says.t have the legal right to it. >> they do have the legal ride right to it. i think there is some room for challenge but they have the legal right to. >> bill: because of the freedom of information act in new york state. >> connecticut they say the reason they did this. >> bill: can't get the info in connecticut. >> connecticut has law to protect gun owner's. >> bill: all should have that law. this invasion of privacy. not only does it put people like janine in danger but it also gives burglars, robbers, a little manifesto here is who has the gun and here who doesn't. that's not hypothetical. tennessee happened same way as they did now. mit did a study to see what was the effect. the effect was the homes without guns the burglaries increased. the burglars are not all stupid. criminals are not all stupid. they looked at the list. >> bill: if you are a burglar what are you going to do? what happen people domestic violence victims or who otherwise have a security issue in their life via sta

i'm refusing because i could not live with myself if one of my pistol permit holders in putnam county had had to face a dangerous situation. >> and although two nearby counties, roth land and west chester counties have handed over the requested information, the county executive in putnam county says no way they are going to fight this all the way through the courts. in her words, no retreat, no surrender. jon? >> jon: so the paper wanted that info. what are they saying? >> the paper is maintaining the same position it has all along. its publisher issued a statement, janet hasan she said and i quote we believe the law is clear that this is public information and the residents of putnam county are entitled to see it. and the executive director of the state agency that provides legal counsel on compliance with the freedom of information act agrees. >> every unit of government, every one of us is supposed to comply with law. and in this instance there is is a provision actually in the new york state penal law which for years has required the disclosure of the name and address of any licen

putnam county district attorney adam leavy, calling it a matter of public safety. he joins us. >> good evening, greta. >> all right. i take it this is a public record. how are you preventing -- turning this over to the newspaper or whoever else requests it? >> this is absolutely a public safety issue, as you said. this is not a gun issue. we're complying with the law. the fact that names and addresses are public records, as you indicated, does not mean that under the public officers' law it needs to be turned over. that's not what the law says. there are exceptions in the law for the same reasons that the sheriff indicated. not only are there public safety issues for the law enforcement in rockland and westchester and putnam county and others. have you not only the licensed perm holders at risk, having their names and addresses on the map, but also their neighbor who is don't have guns and chose not to purchase guns and possess them lawfully because they become soft targets. there are absolute exceptions in the law. we are complying withplying witw and we would ask

and putnam, tell us, set the scene, how long has the library then in possession of these? how did this happen? and what was done -- describe the process that was done to prepare them for the public's use. >> let me violate your -- i want to quickly thank caroline kennedy for all of the initiatives that she describes that makes the institution the cutting edge it is we could knew that her leadership and support. and also my colleague, executive director, really was the manager of the entire project and the book that we're all enjoying today. wouldn't be possible without all the work you did. so, well, right after the assassination of -- the taping system was dismantled, and the president and secretary moved over to the executive office building and the tapes went to a variety of locations and vigilant ended up here at the kennedy library. and caroline indicated their existence was known by a few people before 1973, robert kennedy actually used them for his book, 13 days -- >> were they all stored in one place? >> primarily. it's kind of a long involved story but yes. and ag

david lee miller is live in putnam county.that is in new york, state of new york, the town of carmel. who is publishing this information now, david lee? good morning there? >> reporter: good morning, bill. we're talking about a suburban new york newspaper owned by gannett called "the journal news". this controversy created so much of a stir, the paper, fearing for the safety of its staff has hired armed security guards. now the controversy began last month when "the journal news" under freedom of information act requested from three counties the names and addresses of residents with pistol permits. two counties complied. one county has said no. that is putnam county. and that's the county from which i'm speaking to you right now. putnam county says to release this information would endanger residents. the county executive says, specifically at risk would be the many current and retired law enforcement officers who live within the county. listen. >> we're hearing from retired police officers who have taken their criminals and p

putnam county district attorney adam levy, calling it a matter of public safety. he joins us. good evening, sir. >> good evening. >> greta: i take it this is a public record so how are you preventing turning this over to the newspaper or whoever else requests it. >> well, first of all, greta this is absolutely a public safety issue, as you said, it's not a gun issue. we are complying with the law. the fact that names and addresses are public record as you indicated does not mean to the public to be turned over. that's not what the law says. there are specific exceptions in the law for the reasons that the sheriff indicated. not only are there public safety issues for law enforcement personnel in rockland and westchester county and in putnam county and others, but you also have not only the licensed permit holders who are at risk by having their names and addresses included on that map, but also, their neighbors, who don't have guns, who chose not to purchase guns and possess them lawfully, because they become soft targets. there are exceptions in the law and we're complying wi

mary ellen o'dell is the putnam county executive.een is a radio talk show host and former public advocate of new york city. miss o'dell, if i were to walk into the office where those records are kept as a citizen of that community, i imagine i'd get access to them. so why shouldn't that same right extend to the local newspaper? >> well, it's a -- that's not really i think a fair example of what we're trying to argue against today. you know, we're really looking at this as a privacy issue. we're looking to make sure that our constituents' safety is primary, it's paramount to us in putnam county. most of our residents are law enforcement or first responders. we have a lot of veterans and, you know, we want to make sure that their families are safe and themselves, that they're not put at risk because of this. and i just want to say on the other side to this, it's not just about those who follow the process and who legally have obtained, you know, pistol permits. we're talking about those individuals, our residents, who choose not to hav

to make the map, they used a freedom of information act which putnam county is rejecting.aper say the whole thing is an invasion of privacy. i'm not done with this story. the newspaper editors, pictured there, stand by their decision. >> steve: fired for refusing a flu shot. that's what happened to eight employees at goshen hospital in indiana. earlier, two nurses said they had no choice because they would not go against their religious beliefs and get a flu shot. >> i feel very god led in that we use natural alternatives in our home and have for 20-plus years. we feel like that's the way healing should happen. god wants us to keep our bodies healthy and put in what we choose to deem as healthy and i believe that the flu shot has a lot of adverse reactions and choose to not put it into myself. >> steve: the hospital defends the firing and says its request for exemption was taken seriously and considered by a panel of experts. our top priority is the health and well-being of our patients. >> alisyn: citizenship granted, russia says french actor gerard depardieu can leave fr

putnam county is thrown in the national spotlight after officials deny that a local newspaper's request for local information on every piss tool permit holder. they plan to publish online like it did no two neighboring counties is plain wrong. david lee miller has more. >> a quiet suburb on the outskirts of new york city is in the crosshairs of a national controversy. county clerk has refused to comply with the freedom of information request filed by a local newspaper. it wants the names and adoctors of residents with pistol permits. so far two nearby counties have done so. the paper is publishing the information on its website using an interactive map. the clerk refuses to release the data saying it's a violation of privacy that puts legal gun owners at risk. >> i am a man that follows the rule of law. we're not talking about the rule of law anymore. we're talking about endangering our citizens. >> reporter: this man a retired police officer who lives in the country county and has a pistol permit is worried that his personal information will be published. >> i don't want people who i h

that is putnam county.hat county says the information should remain private and that releasing it would put residents at risk, specifically active and retired police officers, many of whom live in the county >> a lot of our residents are first-responders. they're law enforcement individuals. they have these pistol permits. at their obvious employment. the fact that their names and their addresses are being released right now does put their families at risk. >> reporter: the county executive says that even residents who do not have a pistol permit would be at risk. she argues that criminals would know who they are if this information is published. jenna. jenna: that is what some of the local fishes are saying. what about the newspaper, david lee? >> reporter: the newspaper is maintaining the position this is legal information. the publisher and the president of the newspaper janet hason released a statement. it said and i quote, we believe the law is clear this is information information and the residents of

with me are the westchester county clerk and putnam county clerk. gentlemen, thanks for being with me this evening. you are both county clerks and have the same job and both work in new york state and both responded to the journal news foia request, freedom of information request differently. tim, it was the information you gave the journal news which pretty much started this national outrage. why did you do it? >> we did it because it is the right thing to do under new york state laws. the pennal law in new york state says that the names and addresses of pistol permit holders shall be public information. >> judge jeanine: no doubt about it. let me add my confirmation to that. i was a judge who would sign pistol permitsers not for everybody. especially the guy who said he needed a pistol permit for hunting and fishing. got that one. you don't shoot fish. he didn't get that. but your aright it is public information. what did the journal news want from you? >> everything. the types of guns and how many they had and what judge signed and they wanted to

one county putnam is defying it for public safety reasons and you saying that they would cover it up? they actively sought to do. this they actively sought to invade the privacy of the gun owners. as you know ravel or you should know in connecticut there is a law that says you can't give out that information. what i said is the gun permit applicants gave up their information to the government which made it public. >> bill: you don't hold the newspaper responsible at all? >> i hold news journalists responsible for making decisions for what they publish and what they don't publish in their -- >> bill: should that paper have published this information in your opinion? >> i think the newspaper was within its rights to publish this information. >> bill: would you have published the information. >> i'm actually a little surprised that gun owners and the the nra for example wouldn't be doing. this i'm surprised the nra doesn't have a map like this on its own site. after all it was -- >> bill: if you were a publisher, ralph, you would have sought the information through freedom of information

. >> the clerk for new york's putnam county standing firm on his position not to release names and addresses of resident in his countiy that have lel pistol permits. he denied the request from the news. they had already shown the names and applications of permit owners in other counties. the action that the paper pulled got a lot of reaction. >> is it it their job or just to make headlines? >> they could be liberal crusaders or deserate for attention by making them famous. >> as they were saying, the notion of public records changes when it translates in the world wide web and media and tweeting. these are things that every issue of who votes and pay taxes and mentally ill have to be rethought through and it can go from one to many instantly. >> they have legal permits to possess a weapon. it is not a gun rights debate but a privacy debate. does the media know the difference? >> there is it also a doublentlied sword here. i live in palm springs. i am nervous that they print i don't have a gun i am in jeopardy. i need a gun permit to show up that my house is armed. there are people that want

despiting the huh poke craw see they want to expand to put -- putnam county. but they said there is a rule of law and there is right and wrong. the journal news is clearly wrong. i could not live with myself if one pistol permit holder was put in harm's way for the soul purpose of selling newspapers. elsewhere, the gun debate rages on. >> that show is out of control. rob, welcome to the showment welcome back. it has been awhile. >> glad to be here. >> how ironic is the irony here? >> they hired a well regulated militia. they hired a well regulated militia to defend themselves. why did we become such drama queens? they say i am in danger because they printed my name. and the editors complain i am in danger because of the bad e-mails. everybody is complaining. >> here is how i feel. if i lived in one of the counties and owned a gun i would be pissed. but if i didn't own a gun i would be more pissed because they put a big rob me sign on those houses. >> that's true, but if you are an apocalyptic thinker like i am and you are worried about the event, i want to kno

putnam county officials refusing to release the names and addresses after the paper published an onlineeractive map detailing where each gun permit older lived. names and addresses. but, can the county with all public information? joining me now, fox is legal analyst and criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor, jeff cold. welcome. great to have you. all start with you. in the newspaper, the putnam county newspaper turned down what is essentially the freedom of the formation request. >> well, if it's because of privacy concerns are six concerns, there are exceptions to the freedom of information act. i don't know whether they sure are not, but can they if they're right about the decision? gerri: there are people out there saying there is no way they can turn this town. you have to respond to the press request if you have the information. >> were not talking about sex offenders. if retire talking about sex offenders to my would agree with you, i would implore the newspapers to publish those addresses because that is a public safety issue. but now here you're talking about folks th

. >> jon: dennis sant, the clerk for putnam county, standing firm on his position to not release the names and addresses of residents in his county who have legal pistol permits. he's denying the request from a local newspaper, the journal news, a paper which published and put on its interactive website a map showing names and addresses and locations of permit owners in other counties. now, the action that that paper pulled has gotten quite a bit of reaction. why did they do it, jim, first of all? is it their job or is it just to make some headlines? >> i think it's possible they could be liberal crusaders or completely served theirs purposes by making them famous and look these are unbelievably complicated issues because as mr. sant was saying the notion of public records changes enormously when it now translates into the worldwide web and social media and tweeting. these are things that every issue of who votes and who pays taxes and who has guns and who is mentally ill all going to have to be rethought through from one to the many instantly. >> jon: these are all people who have l

officials in putnam county are refusing to turn over the records to the journal news. they say they're concerned about the safety of permit molders, but the newspaper contend -- holders, but the newspaper contends the information is public record under new york law. so what do you think about that? are the newspaper's actions reckless as the county executive maintains or should information about gun permits be released the same way this newspaper is doing it? share your thoughts in an e- mail to mcginty's mailbag. that is mailbag@wusa9.com. >>> plenty of folks on the roads all hours in our area, but coming up you might be surprised how many say they'll get behind the wheel when they probably ought to be thinking about going to bed. >> but first retracing the steps of a local man who went missing new year's day. >>> there is some new information tonight about a man from clarkbsurg who went missing. however, the news is not so good. police say the body found in the ventilation shaft of an adams morgan apartment building is that of michael steven poe. the 22-year-old was

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now they went after westchester county and now putnam county and the clerk in putnam county says, no,not g>> this is going to be a ft and at some point as elected officials, we have to say enough is enough. this journal editorial board is packed with eight heads to the left of left, the worst of the worst. they've used their editorial page to terrorist, level three sexual predators and people have to understand this isn't about the second amendment, we're talking thousands of people who live private lives, victims of domestic violence, former new york city police officers who put the worst of the worst behind bars trying to protect and raise their families and exposed in a very public way. >> megyn: with their home addresses in the paper for any former arrestee of theirs to see. >> exactly. we have gotten reports from other states in similar instances, where it has led to criminal actions. i have officers contacting me every single day. the law enforcement community has come together and telling the journal news take this information down. people have to get-- the law was made that al

we also publish putnam books. the putnam started as booksellers in boston and its many booksellers do, they want to sell good things and so they became publishers and publish people like nathaniel hawthorne all the way up to today when they do patsy cornwell and tom clancey. we also have viking, which is the storied imprints that published "the grapes of wrath" and steinbeck now publishes many best-selling fiction and nonfiction writing. the publisher of riverhead and riverhead is a specialized small literary imprint and our goal is to bring new voices, new perspectives to readers. so we are always looking for something, something appealing that we have not heard before. the first book i mentioned that i ever published was the book by a guy heard on the radio. i could remember his name. it was something so fresh and distinct about his voice that i had to call them up and buy that book. that was david sedaris. it turned out i was not alone. many people wanted to hear that same voice. that is what we look for. we ha

one clerk in a nearby putnam county in new york is refusing to go along. in his county saying it would, quote, put the public in danger. here is returning for his second performance judge andrew napolitano. i don't agree with this, i am not giving out, i have the records and i am not giving them out. i put it to you he could be compelled to release them if somebody files suit and says that is public information and we wanted. judge napolitano: he could be compelled to release them because there's a statute in new york state that specifically makes this information public. in my view the statute is unconstitutional and was written in an era when public revelation of this would not have likely brought about harm to the people who got these gun permits. in my world just like there would be no fema there would be no gun permits. would not need a propitious -- permission slip from the government to defend yourself. stuart: when you allow anybody to buy any denis judge napolitano: yes. [talking over each other] judge napolitano: the only way to stop this violenc

in the newspaper, the putnam county newspaper turned down what is essentially the freedom of the formationequest. >> well, if it's because of privacy concerns are six concerns, there are exceptions to the freedom of information act. i don't know whether they sure are not, but can they if they're right about the decision? gerri: there are people out there saying there is no way they can turn this town. you have to respond to the press request if you have the information. >> were not talking about sex offender if retire talking about sex offenders to my would agree with you, i ould implore the newspapers to publish those addresses because that is a public safety issue. but now here you're talking about folks that are liensed to have caught permittedo have a gun. this is completely legal. so it's almost a safety issue, certainly a privacy issue, but i would argue a safety issue for those folks of their names are out there. gerri: that sam apparent and i have kids and there's a play down the street. maybe the folks i knew the neighborhood in a more reid. i want to know if it is again in the ho

and addresses of gun permit holders, but it has been denied a freedom of information act request in putnamy, so with us to talk about this is cnn legal contributor paul callan. this is what county clerk dennis tsant told reuters "there is a rule of law and there is right and wrong and the journal news is clearly wrong. i could not live with myself if one putnam pistol permit holder was put in harm's way for the sole purpose of selling newspapers." there may be people who agree with that or do not. is it up to the clerk to determine whether he can deny a request on that basis alone? >> no, it's not really up to the clerk. new york law clearly says these are public records and the legislature could have exempted them but they didn't, so permits or these actually are publication people have the right to purchase firearms, not necessarily people who are actually carrying them but the statute doesn't exempt that. it does have one clause in it that says if publication of the information would endanger somebody's life, the government can opt not to disclose. now that's a section that might be inv

. >> judge jeanine: the journal news prompted it but at the same time there are county clerks in putnamounty specifically who said under the public officer's law we believe in is an invasion of privacy and we feel this is something that has to be remedied. are there standards for journalists the way there are for doctors and lawyers? are there -- is there a code of ethics for journalists? >> there has to be anded there is. >> is there? >> absolutely. >> i think this is an event. there was a mass shooting 15 miles from the border. >> judge jeanine: my question is are there standards? >> yes, there are. >> judge jeanine: like the code of ethics. >> standards of news worthiness. this was a legitimate story. you might argue and i would share some of your concerns with how they dealt with it. but the conversation about the density of gun ownership is a legitimate conversation to have. >> judge jeanine: but that can be accomplished by simply putting the pinpoints in the map of people who have guns without identifying them. >> i agree with you. >> judge jeanine: you do? >> yes, on that. >> i h

i was elected to care for the well being of my citizens in putnam county and that's what i am doing. limbaugh says the president is redistributing wealth in america. but you have to

putnam county officials say the move is an invasion of privacy that could endanger lives, but they maymuch of a choice under the freedom of information law. but you wonder, i understand that they want to disseminate this information and engage people and just start a coop ver sags. but what good are you doing by listing the names and addresses of those who are within their legal right of owning a gun? >> that's my question, what is the end game here? what's the goal? the bottom line is, you can't really fault the paper. they should explain more what they're trying to do, but it is public information. if you're registered with the government, it makes it a public record. if you applied for a permit. so there's no legality in terms of should it be public. the answer is clearly yes. but it's just what is the goal here? now we know who applied. now what? >> is it going to turn neighbor against neighbor here? i don't see the goal. >> i don't know. i guess maybe they got wrapped up in the debate so they wanted to stoke it a little. >> i thought it was interesting from this particular county,