to pwi's and not htcu.r head the pinnacle is to go to the school of your dreams, harvard, yale, whatever school it is, i was talking to jason johnson today about the fact set us back a generation, the schools that were producing the greatest minds in american history, the mind that's broke the back of segregation, and rules in place since 1619 came from hbcu's. do you feel like you're going to howard and saying no to unc after they offered you tenure, do you think it will spark more young people to change the vision in their minds to howard? >> i certainly hope so. i know that ta-nehisi ed hopes i know that is ta-nehisi does as well. if i was in white society, i needed to have a elite white institution on my resume. i hated my time with notre dame. it was traumattraumatizing, i h been back since 1999, the first place i was ever called n-word was on that campus. we have to ask ourselves, we deserve to be in those places but is the best thing for us. so i certainly hope us making this decision, a choice, righ

recently got my doctor, i also talk about what it means when it comes to as you mentioned, clips with pwianna jones, do you think this is a lesson that predominantly white colleges recognize that you can't engage in these hostility without taking a hit in your public relations or do you think it is going to ostricize it? >> well, i think they my think it is a victory until elite high school seniors start rethinking -- if i am coming up and i have an interest in journalism or history or learning about this country and then learning to speak about it and becoming a public intellectual, i am now putting howard much higher on any list than unc, they're going to start to lose recruits. all their other programs get weaker and faculty besides nicole hanna jones -- you know what i don't want to teach at this school. they're trying to humiliate here and making this brilliant woman, make her humiliated, you can only teach with no academic freedom or safety in terms of your job security. you may see a lot of people walk away. i hope that's what happens. i feel bad for the students and a lot of stude