was there a plan after qaddafi?>> i am worried about the fact that i don't see any reverse of the collapsed state. everyone knows afghanistan. we have solved that aspect of the question. i don't believe it is possible to build the state in which a political contract is not clear. we are facing from the beginning of it, there are a lot of military strikes. behind us, you know, it is a collapsed state. for the rulers of the world, time to think about the way to use military forces. >> i think libya sums up the major problem. it was an artificial contrivance of colonial powers and three distinct regions starting to break apart. the libyan political classes have the figure out how to accommodate regional tendencies as well as addressing economic and other needs of the people. you have the element of criminality and the rise of militias. it ultimately has to come from the libyans themselves as opposed to being imposed or brokered from the outside. >> before we go, let's say hello. we have been watching the story of libya

seeking retribution for qaddafi- era crimes. the government, which is dealing with fresh applications -- fresh accusations of corruption, and many of these militias run entire resource-rich cities in libya, decline themselves independent from the national government. -- declaring themselves and benefit the national government. militants accuse the libyan government of being complicit with united states. fueling the ongoing unrest in libya are lots and lots of weapons, enormous stockpiles of weapons from gaddafi's 40-year rule has flooded into the streets. also cross the border, helping rebels in mali and syria. so it remains to be seen if post-gaddafi libya can succeed. given the unrest taking place another nation's swept up in the arab swinspring, libya's probles are not unique to the region. >> joining me now to discuss this is david swanson, journalist and author of "war is a lie." in the run-up to the intervention in libya, what was the taste that the u.s. gave for getting involved in the conflict? >> there was not a big que

one irishman's part into dorothy's downfall. -- in qaddafi's downfall. i want to add one more name into this mix. one rebel leader made front-page news. arrested in afghanistan as part of an al qaeda affiliated group. he was in afghanistan as the suspect was picked up this weekend. he suddenly pops up as the military governor for tripoli. >> these celebrations come after sacrifices from all libyans. we hope this will end in a way that guarantees the rights and aspirations of all americans. >> by the way, he is now the leader of a political party. the announcement last weekend's u.s. raid. what do you think of him? is he just another politician? >> i think he has stepped down from the military council, the disappointment took place at a time of serious commotion when you are talking about tripoli following. later, he realized maybe he wasn't the right percent for the position. he has taken the choice route of politics. i think we have the main political parties there at the moment. >> tunisia doesn't think he has changed his stripes. they accuse him of ha

this land belongs to his family but he was unable to access it under qaddafi and now he can.he felt there was no alternative and had to build their. >> our children have not got homes of their own. after the revolution of the 17th of february, we got our land back and cleared it to provide land for sons who did not have houses. we have not got anything against the historic area. it's not like we don't care about history. >> at the museum of antiquities, some of the statues reveal the potential danger of what could be lost. >> the cemetery is one of the biggest of the ancient world. it is sadly being destroyed as a result of people's ignorance people who put self-interest above respecting the heritage and culture of the nation. it is a crime against history that we have repercussions for future generations. >> this is all that is left of tombs that go back to the sixth century bc they are desperate for the government to act. >> we are not denying anyone from selling their land and property but what's denying them from buying the land from the people? they should buy the land r

it is a tragic situation, but i still feel that qaddafi had to go. innational mourning vietnam over a war hero. he was a unique entry in the pantheon of generals. editor wrote his treaties on war when he was a mere 16 years old. the general was not a trained soldier, he was a communist car raid. >> it is indispensable to mobilize and organize the entire people. >> their mobilization was against the colonial french. the vietnamese communists were so good at it the americans following on in the 1960s try to match it with their own hearts and minds doctrine. the central combination of the army, politics, social action, propaganda, and coercion can be seen today in places like lebanon, where hezbollah has great power compared to the peaceable efforts of rivals. the general realized having stood the people up, the french would spread forces across the country. >> the enemy found himself face- to-face with a contradiction. without scattering forces, it was impossible for him to occupy the invaded territory. in scattering resources, he put himself in danger

the day in august 2011, qaddafi fell and tripoli erupted in joy.rthrowing a dictator has proved much easier than rebuilding the state. today's chaos may be qaddafi's legacy but no one in libya seems to know how to overcome it. >> woodruff: former pakistani president pervez musharraf was re-arrested today, after being released on bail yesterday. this time, musharraf was taken into custody on accusations involving a deadly raid on a militant mosque in 2007. he's faced a host of criminal charges since returning from exile in march. in egypt, the military-backed government criticized the u.s. decision to slash millions of dollars in aid. a spokesman for the foreign ministry insisted, "egypt will not surrender to american pressure." meanwhile, secretary of state john kerry said the u.s. might restore some aid, if egypt makes progress in restoring democracy. he spoke in malaysia. >> i think the interim government understands very well our commitment to the success of this government which we want to see achieved. and by no means is this a withdrawal from

>> he was out in the observe for two years after qaddafi fell. he was living in the capitol.was living in britain for years. he was given asylum in great britain. many al qaeda members given asylum there. >> so then eric i will go with the next one. he was walking around drinking cocktails talking to reporters. why didn't they grab him and bring him home? >> that's the first thing i thought of. we had the raids in somalia and libya. we had the greatest special forces we showed that yesterday. why are the men in bbehind beng still walking around? no straight answer there. >> with these raids both in africa one in libya the other in somalia does it highlight what a hotbed of terrorism africa has become? >>> oo the fact that we put boots on the ground in both places we haven't put boots on the ground any place except getting bin laden. we have stepped it up. >> don burrelly what has caused them to step it up? >> i think we realize we don't want africa to turn into the next afghanistan. we have seen areas where there's barely a functioning government are a safe haven for terroris

the country has faced a rising insurgency since the fall of muammar qaddafi -- muammar gaddafi. a group of trade unionists as -- has wrapped a mission inspecting sites for the 2022 world cup. >> an unusual event for this small restaurant in a poor area of doha, qatar. the trade unionists are meeting with construction workers. this is one of them. he has not received a salary for over two months. >> in the camp where i live, we sleep on the ground and i don't get a regular salary. >> the unionists have come to the emirate of qatar for three days especially to hear problems like these. it is an unannounced visit that has seen them barred from several sites and companies. by exerting a bit of pressure, they have managed to meet some officials. >> it is a shame. the majority of their population today is made up of immigrants. we have to make them see that human rights are for everyone, not before qataris -- not only for qataris. >> guitar has been accused of exploiting its foreign workers -- qatar has been accused of exploiting its foreign workers. >> some of the numbers -- they do

the reason they go to libya is law an order has broken down since the fall of qaddafi and used to bel between qaddafi and berlusconi and they are trying to get in to libya to help them coordinate some sort of coast guard operations to stop the boats from leaving there but have not managed to do so so far. >> reporter: thanks. gunmen shot dead a muslim cleric in the city and three others died in a barrage described of bullets which were fired into their car and seen as the successor to controversial clerc and he is accused of fundraising for al shabaab and he was killed in a similar shooting last year and after protesters accused the police of carrying out the attack and kenya police denied involvement in the killing. an investigation has opened in washington d.c. after a woman was shot dead following a car chase and she tried to drive through a security guard at the white house and kimberly has details. >> reporter: this sedan seen speeding away from the white house police tried to stop. >> an unauthorized vehicle tried to gain access at an outer perimeter check point, stress that, o

he returned to libya after the fall of moammar qaddafi. and his family said he deserves to be tried at home. >> this is the work of piracy of foreign troops on libyan land to kidnap my brother. they're supposed to produce legal documents to the libyan government and he should be tried here. >> reporter: instead, he now reportedly being reported to be interrogated on an u.s. naval ship. >> navy seals tried unsufficiently to capture the leader of al-shabab which says it is behind the deadly mall attack in kenya. that raid happening south of mogadishu. a helicopter dropped of off the seals. they engaged in gunfire but the raid did not complete its target. >>> our tornado watch has been issued in new york, new jersey, and other parts of the east. >> meteorologist: the line is moving from west to east from new york to pennsylvania. you see the level here. that is the strongest storms right now. there is severe thunderstorm warnings with these storms, no tornado warnings issued at this time but that could certainly change over the next few hours

zeidan was a career diplomat but affected from colonel qaddafi in 1980 and was working as a human rights lawyer in geneva when the 2011 civil war began. he then returned to libya and then became the main point of contact with europe and the opposition. he is credited with winning recognition from several european countries. entering parliament as an office int, he won 2012. the challenge for his interim government has been to unite various interest groups in libya ahead of new constitution and first parliamentary elections. with me now is the bbc's reporter who just returned from eastern libya where he spoke to live -- rebels there. it is tempting, isn't it, having seen what we just seem to think that libya is a place with absolutely no control or lawless. but that is not quite what is happening, is it? >> i think the real problem is, it is not really correct in the sense to use the word rebels. the dividing line between militias and government is very, very murky, because most of the security, to the degree there is security, throughout the country is now and i haven't these militias. b

there were agreements between qaddafi and the italian government to stop these kind of movements taking place but the kind of problems that libya is now experiencing it's been very easy for these human smugglers to ply their trade in this country because of the level of disruption taking place there. >> suarez: jeff crisp from refugees international. thanks for joining us. >> thank you very must have. >> woodruff: and to two stories from the world of technology. the first focusing on a digital currency that you may not have known about before it made national news this week. our economics correspondent paul solman has been tracking its growth and explains. it's part of his ongoing reporting, "making sense of financial news." >> bitcoins are digital coins you can send through the internet. >> reporter: the currency known as bitcoin, which made headlines earlier this week when the f.b.i. seized silk road, the popular online black marketplace for drugs and other contraband, payable in bitcoin, that had done over a billion dollars worth of business in the last two years. but what makes this

helped to kill qaddafi now the country is involved in chaos and terror again you hear pains of democracy but as these extremist groups in different countries become more and more organized as a network it's difficult to ignore them. that spreading through the region the u.s. things drones are the perfect tool to deal with terrorists they say drones are the solution but on the receiving end those drone strikes are seen as acts of terror when they kill innocent people and they help terrorists recruit more terrorists most recently to report came out by amnesty international and human rights watch they looked into u.s. strikes in pakistan and yemen human rights watch found that in the strikes that they had investigated seven percent of those who died were civilians washington says they decimated al qaeda solution but it seems al-qaeda has metastasized and continue spreading with drone strikes and brewing civil wars in washington i'm going to check on. george kenney who's a former diplomat of the u.s. foreign service as washington keeps showing its war on terror as full of inconsistency is we

kenya and tanzania in 1998 where 200 people were killed and he returned to libya after the fall of qaddafi2011 according to the family and his brother said he deserves to be tried at home. >> translator: in is a work of piracy to kidnap my brother and supposed to present legal documents to libya government and my brother should be tried here in libya. >> reporter: instead libya are seized by u.s. commanders and is now reportedly being interrogated on a u.s. navel ship. carolyn with al jazeera. >> police in kenya say last month's attack on the west gate shopping center was planned several weeks in advance and the video shows them going september 6 to pave the way for the attack and they are in a bank and collecting cash they later used to pay for a car and the car was used to block the mall's, entrance stopping people from getting inside. rat holes and mines where children squeeze down narrow mine holes to dig for cole and tens of thousands of children are exploited by the mining, industry. and we report. >> descending in the depths of danger, 17-year-old rye starts another day by crawling

. >> reporter: since the overthrow of muammar qaddafi two years ago, the militias that rose up against him have not been molded into a unified security force. quite the opposite. they've been separate, often competing armies, representing regional, political, religious, and tribal divisions. the group that abducted the prime minister calls itself the revolutionary operations room. and he may have been freed only when his captors were confronted by another militia. according to the state department, united states personnel in libya were not in any danger due to the kidnapping drama, but it hasn't made the country a safer or more stable place, scott. >> pelley: mark phillips in our london newsroom, mark, thank you. now, we wouldn't usually take note of the election results in the former soviet republic of azerbaijan but you'll love this. the results were announced it, which was remarkable because the elections wasn't held until the next day. the president in charge thereto last 10 years was re-elected with 72% of the vote without the neceworáy of casting any ballots. but here's the beaut

. >>> exactly two years ago today, qaddafi was captured and killed near his hometown in syria.serving leader in africa and the areab world. what nonroyal national leader has run his country the longest? is it kim il-sung, fidel castro, mao zedong or joseph stalin. you can follow us on twitter or facebook. if you miss a show or special, go to itunes.com/fareed and download them. this week's book is "the tea party and the remaking of republican conservatism." if you want to understand the rise of the tea party and who they are, read this book. now for the last look. in 1999, 10,000 people were killed when a ferocious cyclone hit eastern india. this past weekend, the same region was once again in the crosshairs. this time it was the region's most powerful storm this century. there was a much better outcome. a million were evacuated ahead of time. only 21 people lost their lives. thousands of others were saved. extreme climate events may be getting worse but technology has truly enabled us to save lives. we're now better than ever predicting the scale of storms and cyclones and we'

qaddafi air. get out of here. i told them 100 timeshey can dance in here. have a beast of a machine here, the last of the real suvs and i walk into a bunch of dances. melissa: the other thing that i think it's brilliant is tha we were talking about doing this segment before i had not seen an answering elena really long time now i have watched these. i click on the next one. i am actually looking at the producin getting a feel for it. that's another huge a vantage. >> remember we say. people don't buy what you do, and by who you are. what they are is entertaining, hip, cool, fine. what you are enjoying at your many aut the product, seeing the car. my guesss wheyou head home tonit you will see one on t road that he nev ordered notice before. melissa: that's a great point. at think it's probably ushers in a new wave of celebrity advertising. in fact, if you were tohink of the perfect pairing of a product and celebrity, what would your speak? >> there are a b you could have spider-man talking about the only thing he is afraid of is raid. [laughter] >> you could

there is no chance in hell that we're going to take away all of his weapons, even qaddafi who was opendestroying his stuff had a secret site discovered only last year. but the real story is the saudi arabians refusing security council. that has never happened in the history of the u.n. it was an expression discussed on the policy of the weapons which essentially has installed assad permanently in power and that is what they understood and we didn't. and they are furious at the united states for empowering him and strengthening iran as a result. >> that saudi u.s. relationship will be a story we do in days to come. now the supreme court case. michigan case about affirmative action. juan, chances? why did the court take it? what do you think? the court took this case very intriguing. unlike other affirmative action cases. this is one in which people are saying wait a second, michigan has outlined outlawed affirmative action. they say they cannot at the university level enact affirmative action. unequal burden people seeking equal rights referendum to get their rights. ledge later can pas

migrants, libya is struggling to monitor its borders, a situation that only worsens following the qaddafiregime downfall two years ago. >> what should europe be doing to crack down on the smugglers who pray on these migrants? >> they are criminals. if you are a refugee and you want to enter the european union and you are not allowed to knock on the door of a european embassy outside of the european union to ask for asylum, how do you get here you g? you can only pay 1500, 2000 euros. >> that is the suggestion put forward by sweden to have a common procedure. >> i would back that. it would be good if we first of all invite much more refugees that are from that camp. for instance, tunisia, 4000 people are waiting to have fled from libya and before that sudan and so on and they have nowhere to go. we could and that in tunisia and take the 4000 refugees and rehouse them in the european union. second, let's look at asylum possibilities and our embassies because the only way to stop people entering on boats in choosing between the bullet and do you see is to give them another option. it is not

their own thing, l ike pspain with the other countries of western africa and italy at the time of qaddafi had deals that were not humanitarian for people that were pushed back to libya. she does not have that. what people tend to overlook is beyond the humanitarian drama, you see, is the people that are coming very often pay about $2000 or euro. so a ship like the one which sank, this is a $1 million business. to pay for that, people back in somalia or eritrea have sold their cattle, their land, their gold, because they invested in one person. it is just like losing in the stock market. when the the people die, they get even deeper into poverty. >> what we forget is that this perilous journey is one stage of the trip. if you have left from addis ababa or from mogadishu, you have already crossed how many thousands of miles and how many countries just to get to the port and cross the mediterranean? >> yes, well, this is the upshot of the revolution in libya. no one controls the country, the borders. and no one explains on the spot to people, no one does counterintelligence like the spanish

. >> he says we were able to neutralize bad dictators like qaddafi and khan and prevented a wholesaleass destruction. >> what did you say bill o'reilly? you said look things are falling apart as we see in iraq. threats still exist in the mountains of pakistan you say what did we get out of it? he couldn't answer you except point finger at obama and say karzai is corrupt. come on you know karzai is corrupt. >> i think when it comes to iraq. i think it's very fair to look at the situation and go look, we pulled out for what looked like frankly political reasons because they did not fry hard on the agreement before leaving there. >> at a point didn't try to keep a residual force in iraq. >> had you gotten to ain't to where the piece was largely won finally and then you abandon the situation which i think makes things more dangerous and does make a lot of that fighting in vain. >> obviously it's a matter of speculation. go ahead. >> well, is he not the greatest negotiator. on afghanistan, i think that's a harder nut to crack. obama although said it was the correct war. one thing that's in

which unleerbd, you know, all of these weapons that have been captured-- sorry that were held by qaddafi forces. so its concern on the part of the u.s. is not that from what i have been told they are ready to attack the homeland now. they don't have the capability and mostly they don't have the aim but that increasingly as they become more and more of an interconnected group, it could pose much more of a danger, and they do have their sights set on u.s. interests and facilities. >> and i think our experience tells us, judy, that over the last 15 years since the embassy bombings, if we don't go after al qaeda where they are and take out their top leadership through manhunting and other disruptive activities, then it's possible and potentially likely that they could come attack us her on the homeland. >> but the idea of trying to capture the man in libya, they were not able to get the man in somalia. >> that's right. >> woodruff: that tells you they want to interrogate these people, they want information from them. they just don't want to eliminate them. >> i think our objective is to ques

al qaeda saw a growing opportunity to build a network after the fall of the libyan dictator qaddafi.ficials are season sifting his intelligence value is high because he began serving al qaeda in the 1990s. the target of the somali raid was sanctioned by al qaeda's core leadership. fox news asked how al qaeda can be in decline when its current memberare operating. >> pakistan and afghanistan have been severely weakened because of our operations. report report they are running operations in libya, somalia as well as kenya. martha: i understand you have more information on the intelligence that led to the somali raid. >> reporter: after the terrorist attack by pal shahab in kenya the time line was moved up based in part by investigators after this attack. it was believed some foreign fighters were preparing to leave the country. martha: catherine, thank you very much. bill: wait until we get to new york. that's the destination. stay tuned. two young girls will never again forget to put away their toys after a police officers made his point with a sense of humor. they got a ticket for th

second and third order ofsequences of the success operation odyssey don and the overthrow of the qaddafi regime. there are some energy security issues in africa and in the gulf of guinea and nigeria where the state frailty might have some broad international implications that will be called upon and have the u.s. play a role. not to mention the humanitarian issues or just kind of law and order issues that the search for kony and things i cap. will be involved in africa much more than -- and rings like that. i suspect we will be involved in africa. to prove that you never know up fightingll end surely after the general became the second commander, he was fighting a war. that is indicative of what we are likely to face there over the next decade. >> here is one from twitter. in a time of budget and continue strategic -- is the time to reduce our nuclear arsenal? i think we need to make smart decisions about how we deploy all of our forces. the strategic forces have been .ivotal to the best ability the proliferation issue has to be at the top of the list. the countries with nuclear rulens h